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GHRIT's "stop the drilling" rant.. ;)

Discussion in 'Peak Oil' started by Suerto, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. Suerto

    Suerto Monkey+

    Originally Posted by Suerto

    That's the nature of the beast, or used to be.. When a drilling boom moves to a new area, for the first year many people get low-balled, because they don't know any better, but they take the money and are happy about it at the time.
    That's what happened here. The great awakening came just about the time I moved in. The companies did some dirt, and thus reaped a lot of discontent as leasing bonuses went sky high relatively.

    The pipeline is coming, I assure you.
    I get no royalties if the gathering lines don't get in; I'm ready for the trenching. But even then, the market is too low to cut the dry gas wells into production.
    Yeah, we have that as well in central Louisiana, dry gas.. They drill em and cap em.. We have one of the highest flowing wells on our families property, been capped for 10yrs now..

    My neighbor (who's from Florida, but lives here in OKC) is a pipeline welder--------------. He said they need people to work, but can't find or keep any locals willing to work oilfield schedules.
    Those folks that have lived in this area all their lives move to a farmer's clock, meaning they do what needs done at their own pace and their own order of business. Adapting to someone else's schedule is NOT in the cards; they have mostly been their own boss for so long that changing is not well tolerated Those of us that have worked for "the man" rather then dancing to the dairy cow's tune don't have that problem, and few of that flavor are in or moving into the area unless retired.
    I don't buy that grit; many of us in the oilfield are from the south, and west, and come from farming communities, and own cows and such.. I think its just a cultural mindset, even happened in my family. 3rd generation oilfield trash, out of 6 boys (I'm the oldest of 9 kids.. good catholic family), only 2 of us work in the oilfield.. The oldest 2.. And its not due to education differences, its just due to a lack of initiative from what I can see.. My father became more prosperous as he got older, and spared the rod, and so the younger boys are much more content with mooching (from thier/my parents) and living at the bottom of the barrel.. In a nutshell.

    If y'all truely want to stop the drilling, organize a union protest/strike/legislation..
    Even the NIMBYs don't want to do that, the locals do not favor unions except the coal miners. There are enough outsiders of the OWS persuasion as it is, they get bussed in for legislative and regulatory hearings.
    yeah, the NIMBY's don't want to stop the drilling, they just want more of the "profits" for nothing.. lol

    Watch how fast the drilling stops, leaves, and stays gone.
    They will be back soon enough, says me, when the value of the resource outweighs the cost of regulation.
    As you said and are aware, you have "dry" gas in your area, with all the drilling in the rest of the country, and cost going up in your area, the companies can hold out longer than the people. Look at the gulf "moratorium" as an example.. It didn't hurt the oil companies, it just hurt the locals and the overall price of oil for the short term.. Even Obama is espousing more drilling now.. lol

    All them shenanigans get calculated into the cost of business as well, and get passed on to the consumer at the pump..
    Yup, or the meter. What continues to amaze me is how little of the cost is in site leasing and drilling compared to the add-ons between the christmas tree and the comsumer's meter. A lot of discontent up here could have been averted had the landmen been upfront instead of low balling. I had to throw one off my property when he cited "Rule of Capture" to me, as in "Sign now, or we'll take your gas without your permission."
    I cannot make excuses for some of my unscroupled oilfield brethren, but I can tell you this, I know many people who worked over there out of necessity, because they are having a hard time getting people to work over there, the ones they get aren't the best in the business..

    Atleast, thats what I been told.. from cats who've gone over there and came back..
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    I am by no means anti drilling, nor against harvesting the gas. In fact, I'm very pro drilling and profiting from it. Just crossing my fingers that the wells get cut in before I push up grass. My postage stamp of land will not make me much, but maybe I can upgrade my beef from burger to an occasional steak. Maybe. (Wish I had some Chesapeake or Southwestern stock 4 years ago.)

    Check this out, reply 20 and 21. An activist worth more dead than alive, IMO.
    psu: more bad news for pro-drillers..........................
    Back up one page for the first of the two posts.

    I've become acquainted with a tool pusher that moved here, bought land, and is planning to stay, he likes it that well, and has been well received by the locals as a respected member of the industry and community.

    Now I gotta fix your thread title maybe.
  3. Suerto

    Suerto Monkey+

    I can't copy paint the responses anymore.. lol

    Nah, its not the haynesville, our property is more in central louisiana, well was drilled almost 20yrs ago.. Maybe they forgot about it, I dunno..

    the term "oilfield trash" in some circles is endearing.. Texas, Oklahoma, and some parts of Louisiana, you'll see it splayed across the back of a pickup.. lol

    Yeah, it probably is lip service to the drilling, but as prices rise in the summer, it may get some traction in congress.. They've already tried dumping strategic reserves on the market thinking they could quell the peasantry a couple of years ago, that didn't do squat for the price at the pump.. lol

    Those were some good stories about the activists, I harbor them no ill-will.. As a matter of fact, I take sides with the Bennet guy blocking the road, the truckers had a permitted route and they refused to use it cuz it was "harder"..

    Before I worked on the drilling side, I did seismic as well, and those helicopter drops can be pretty alarming to someone not expecting them.. lol

    The cleghorn guy is self-researching, and him having a P.H.D doesn't impress me much, but at least he tried to learn up on the process.. Albeit, some of what he is quoted espousing is incorrect, and thats the points I would argue with him on... I also get the feeling that he might be a little bitter about the fact that he didn't get any mineral rights to his property... Keeping drilling rigs 50acs away from your property, isn't gonna keep you safe if your thesis is that the fracking fluids in the well are whats contaminating your aquifer..

    And that theory (in and of itself) is quit flawed, as, the wells are up to 2.5 miles deep, before they go horizontal.. I don't know of any aquifers that are even a mile deep, but, I aint studied up on groundwater deposits in the appalaichans.. so what do I know.

    Where's your toolpusher friend from?
    I got a buddy who's been working up there a couple of years now, from Texas.. He's moving to Tennessee.. lol
  4. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    This is the MAJOR flaw in most Anti-fracking Greenie Protesting.... They don't understand the technology, and the Geology, of the area. There were some shallow Frack'ed Wells, that did contaminate Ground Water, in the early stages of the technology development, but that issue, is now well understood, and should NOT be an issue in this day, unless someone is bent on drilling shallow NG Wells on purpose, and that should be a Criminal Offense, simply because it doesn't need to happen. ..... YMMV.....
  5. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    If you have the way's and means to convert your old farm truck too Nat.Gas or propane...Then do it...NOW...I know one oilfield coona$$ that has made a move by planning for his future energy need's...
  6. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    There's some pride in adopting outsider's terms. Boomers are proud of the term, the area they move into are less so, it becomes an insult. My brother can call me anything, but the non "family" member better watch his chops.

    Bennett is not a NIMBY or anti. He was absolutely right with forcing the trucks to use the permitted route. Him, I applaud. I don't mind the tankers and lo boys running up and down my one lane dirt road unless they use the jake brakes after dark. I got that stopped with one call to the SWN company man.

    There's a story in one of the threads on that site about a chopper dropping a load of sensors on some woman's back porch. I have my doubts that she didn't drag them off the hill from the close by drop zone and put them there (after getting woke up from a nap.) Choppers were flitting all around here when the seismic was going on. Never bothered me nor my neighbors (even when the roofs rattled) we knew it was coming. The shot schedule was not published, and a few shots were startling.

    Yes, the drilling is DEEP. The problem is the cementing of the rock above and below the aquifer. The stories you hear from Dimock MAY have been related to that, it's an unproven theory by some NIMBYs. Cabot shot themselves in the foot by not taking predrill samples, so couldn't prove they were not at fault. They learned, there have been no problems in any other area since.

    Cleghorn knew the minerals were severed. He hasn't a leg to stand on, and I don't think he's all that right about crapping up his peace and quiet. Once the actual drilling is over, it comes back. (Yeah, pulling out those pics of a well field in sand lenses isn't accurate for shales, but you know that.)

    Ross claims no home other than PA now, but he was out of Texas originally. I have deliberately not asked who he's with now.

    Gator, there is a huge downside to "free" gas. Expense is but one of them. Once you take the gas, you get the liability and maintenance to go with it. Take the "in lieu of" money instead. Converting a vehicle has it's pros and cons, too. There is no infrastructure for it. Yet.
  7. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Yes there is Ghrit,In a SHTF scenero,Just knowing how to crack a well and fill up on Nat.Gas...Is Priceless...The key is Shut-in tubing pressure,Along with proper hose's and fitting's coupled to your fuel tank.That is what i was refering to.I'm surrounded at work with Nat.gas engine's that run for year's and year's...Granted these are industrial engine's...Clean stuff that Nat.Gas is...
  8. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Yep, knowing is worth it. The question is how much regulator do you have to have? Said another way, what's the well head pressure under draw as well as shut in head?
  9. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    How large of a fuel cylinder does a person use and what kind of pressure are we talking about?

    What pressure does it need to be reduced to at the intake manifold?
  10. Suerto

    Suerto Monkey+

    my jeep can run on natty, presently setup for propane, and I plan on converting one of my diesel trucks to it as well..

    and I worked production too, at one time in my life..

    southern colorado has oilfields, and they are moving in there once again to drill, just like in the marcellus..

    just sayin.. ;)
  11. Suerto

    Suerto Monkey+

    Colt, look up my started threads, I got one on my jeep, with a link to an extensive thread on it in a jeep forum..

    I'm packing up and getting off this rig, so, y'all won't be hearing from me until tomorrow..

  12. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    You don't need a regulator...All you need is a guage and the tank should be fitted with a P.S.V. or pressure safety valve.
    Shut-in tubing pressure is a 24 hr reading with the well shut-in...
    Draw...This is called Flowing Tubing Pressure...
    The amount of gas that you need to fill your tanks from a Shut-in well will have little of no effect on the pressure...A 3000# Shut-in tubing pressure well will fill any fuel tank on your truck...With no noticeable draw down.

  13. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    I can't help with sizing the cylinder, all my exposure has been with stationary engines.

    So far as pressure goes, tapping a well can require pipe to handle well over 1000 psi, down to whatever pressure become uneconomical for the producer to recover. Spark ignition engines will run on just a couple inches of water pressure. Dunno 'bout diesel.
  14. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Now you will need a regulator here since your going from lbs. to ozs.Most of the home propane tanks are 150 p.s.i. rating,Equipped with a Fisher or Impco Regulator...This is what you use to feed your engine with mere ounces of fuel...

  15. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    This is an Impco pound regulator mounted on top of this propane tank 150#,Feeding an Impco ounce regulator...
    Granted it's propane now...However the tank and regulator's cannot differate from propane or Natural Gas...You can run both thru them...They just regulate...
    Brigg's 18 HP 004.JPG
  16. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

  17. Suerto

    Suerto Monkey+

  18. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Yup, propane is easier because of the MUCH lower pressure involved, and the ease of doing the work. (Not even mentioning the availability.) At this time, ng just is not ready for prime time in vehicle applications.

    Gator doesn't have this problem, but northerners might in cold weather. Expanding fuel gasses thru a regulator chills things, that's how reefers work. Up north, a regulator may require heat lest it freeze up for some reason. I do NOT trust that fuel gasses are completely without moisture.
  19. Suerto

    Suerto Monkey+

    You haven't looked at my jeep thread have you? ccc

    The regulators are designed to utilize the radiator lines to keep the gas, gaseous.. As, in most propane vehicles your feeding liquid.

    Did you know that in most modern diesel trucks your fuel rail pressures can get up to 25k psi, stock?

    In that perspective, 3200psi is peanuts, and you could utilize everyday parts pulled from your average vehicle on the street, to convert one to natty gas if need be, in a SHTF scenario. It wouldn't be pretty, mind you, but it could be done.
  20. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    The ''Trick'' in not forming an ice plug is by staging your regulator's...
    Going from 1200 psi. to 150 psi..Expect an ice plug...
    However if you add a third regulator in line going from 1200 psi to 500 psi and then to 150 psi...Less chance of icing up...
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