Global cooling

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by oil pan 4, Jan 1, 2018.

  1. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    I'm with you, 30 miles off the Gulf and its due here tonight.
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  2. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grudge Monkey

    Climate change is a real occurrence, has been going on since the beginning of time, and will continue long after Humans are dead and gone! How much is man made? Hard to say, and I don't think the Smart people can answer that any better then us Peoples! Go back to WW-2, More Oil was spilled then 1000 super tankers, and yet we didn't have lasting pollution issues, the raging fires from bombed out cities didn't change the weather any measureable amount, but the smart people claim we changed the weather. Volcanos change the climate far more then any thing mankind has ever done, and that includes the use of fossle fuels during and after the industrial revolution! More worrisome is the Chernoble and Fukishima Nuke Melt downs and the ongoing damages they continue to cause, may not be to the climate yet, but when the eco system suffers, we may see changes later!
    The whole global warming rant was nothing more then a push to spend money of things we didn't need because we were not at war yet and people needed things to do to make money so we could drive the economy! Some of the tech and science we have as a result of this has been a benefit, but there are many other things that came about that have been bull shit stupid, and yet we funded it and are now stuck with it!
    I'm all for finding alternate energy but not at a cost beyond what we can bear out as individuals, and to tax us as a punishment is asking for trouble instead of innovation. i'm all for funding real science instead of snake oil scams and Gov. grants for junk science, but lets be real about it, and lets have transparency.
    There is an underlying issue here that many do not understand, the separation of Climate change, and eco system change, Man kind has not contributed a significant amount to climate change, BUT, the eco system is where MAN has done great wrongs, and we must and will answer for that! We have thousands of dams pinching off our rivers and streams, and combined with industrial pollution and run off, and the Nuke issues mentioned above, we have severally damaged our eco system, add in the population explosion and we have the conditions of over consuming beyond the earths ability to sustain life, let alone growth! We are on the brink of a massive change, and unfortunately we face the very real possibility of a massive die off of the human species. War is coming, and the die off from that will likely be massive, Starvation will contribute too, and then there are the more tin foil causes to consider. One cannot know what the future may bring, but bring it, it shall!
    Preps are well in hand, but with the climate shift, some of us may be in the wrong A.O. to take advantage of the temp shifts northward, so preps need to account for those changes. Southern Monkeys way have problems dealing with increased temps, and northern monkeys may have to deal with colder, wetter conditions, easterners may have to deal with colder, harsher winters, and westerners may have to deal with warmer and wetter winters, and warmer, dryer summers!
    We live in interesting times, hope all can adapt and over come!
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  3. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    There is no doubt the climate changes

    The devil is in the details of how its being measured. The climatoligist cant agree if we shoudl be measuring ocean temp or land temp and the move the thermometers around so no consistancy.

    I like @HK_User thinking
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  4. T. Riley

    T. Riley Monkey+++ Site Supporter++

    If climate change were solely the result of human activities it would be easy to measure, model and predict. ( X amount of fossil fuel burned = Y degrees hotter) But it is not, so the models and measurements are useless and all failed to predict the last 20 year cooling trend. Climate change "science" does not exist yet, just a lot of lucrative guessing.
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  5. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    It' impossible to really know now if we are warming or cooling because noaa and the ipcc have just recently gotten caught.
    Who knows really how much manipulation, falsification or how long the lies in has been going on.
    To me it would appear it's been going on since day one, the Mann hokey stick graph, a work of pure fiction.
    Last edited: Jan 3, 2018
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  6. Big Ron

    Big Ron Monkey+

    I have little faith in the folks who can't predict the weather more than a day or two in advance. I do wonder about a slight pole shift?
    I remember wiki leaks catching scientist changing data to support their GW positions. I do think pollution and all our chemicals and emissions have some kind of effect. I don't think man can control the sun though.
  7. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++


  8. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Lots of people wish they had all that global warming we were promised would be killing us by now.
  9. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    In central Texas this AM it was four degrees.

    No frozen pipes and the Heat Pump never kicked over to the heat strip.

    Good insulation, planning and being the builder is the only way to live.

    It's about 29 now and the cattle were happy to see me breakup the ice on their trough.
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2018
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  10. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    That is OUR IDIOT .
    His dad was good , Mom a loose woman & into drugs
    Castro Kid ?
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  11. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    The royal astronomical society realeased a paper in July 2015 is saying they expect conditions like the little ice age to start by 2030.
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2018
  12. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    World health organization saying expect world wide food shortages by 2023.
    Some Australian news paper was saying 70% of last seasons wheat crop was lost.
  13. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    A you tube channel I highly recommend is ice age farmer.
    As far as I can tell he isn't trying to sell you anything, is pretty much says "everyone needs to learn to grow some of their own food, be self sufficient", doesn't do conspiracy theories, draws attention to publicly reported crop losses and food shortages which oddly enough are only drawing local and sometimes regional attention at most.
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  14. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Ice Age Farmer
    One of several links from Globally Overarching Online Graphico-Lexical Engine
  15. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    Damn @ghrit 'globally overaching online graphic-Lexcal engine' wow i had to read that twice, impressive !
  16. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    If half of what he says is true and 10% of the predictions come true then it may not be good.
    Plus what so bad about being able to grow your own food?

    One of the possibilities of shtf is its not a reset button event with a clear abrupt rapid transition, maybe it paradigm shift that sneaks up on you unfolding so slowly no one realizes it. Maybe it starts out with infrequent individual fresh produce items being unavailable, kind of like we see now. No fresh lettuce or tangerines on and off over winter, to during the summer some coffee and tea brands go unavailable here and there. Slowly turns into the green produce isle going bare over the winter and occasional bread shortages 10 years from now which slowly turns into when a food truck does make it to a grocery store it is sold out before it ever makes it to the store shelves another 5 or 10 years after that.
    Very few people have 20 or 30 years worth of food saved or have the means to save even 1 or 2 years worth of food now.
    That likely will not happen to US since we are the words number 1 food producer and exporter, but it is a possibility. We may get some retard Democrat socialist pussy like Obama in office again who thinks its our responsibility to take care of and kiss ass to the rest of the world and forget about our own people. Actually no, it's not a possibility, I guarantee that we will get another one at least as bad as him in the next 20 years.
    Most food shortages in the 20th century were manufactured for political gain or to manipulate a population.
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  17. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Credit my cousin for that one, I can't claim it. He's a bright boy (oncologist), but I'm pretty sure he tripped over it somewhere along the way.

    The local weather weenies are claiming that we have averaged about 10 degrees cooler below normals for this time of year. The "normal" Jan thaw was warmer than "normal" as well. Given the colder than average temps and higher than average late season snowfall, methinks fat al and the rest of the climatards need a brain transplant, preferably one that functions.
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  18. T. Riley

    T. Riley Monkey+++ Site Supporter++

    There was a saying in East Texas in the 90's by a local morning AM DJ; "80's by 8:00". We don't get that anymore and it's been years since the temp has topped 100 in the summer which use to be a regular occurrence. From my perspective it's come full circle, warming in the 80's and 90's and cooling for the last 18 years.
  19. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    A lot of growers here have long ago turned to using green houses .
    It is a significantly more practical controlled growing environment and avoids the need for insecticides and disease issues.
    Besides expanding the growing seasons , sudden changes out side have little effect if any ,compared to going with out.
    Artificial lights are more easily implemented if necessary and the canopy can easily be made light proof to avoid out side detection if desired. and post SHTF this could be significant.
  20. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Looks like the US wheat harvest is probably going to be down 20 to 25% this season unless starting today the weather goes perfect from here on out.
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