How do you hide a fire?

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by sniper-66, Aug 14, 2005.


  1. sniper-66

    sniper-66 Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    If you are wanting to hide a fire, or to use the least amount of wood possible, dig a Dakota fire hole!

    How? First, you need a reason for the fire, cooking, boiling water, whatever the reason, you now need a cooking vessel. Lets just say for grins, you have a one gallon tin can. Dig the hole just slightly larger than the can so that it can be lowered down into the hole. this implies that you built a handle on the can to do this. Once you get the hole dug down, go upwind and dig a smaller hole at a angle down to the bottom of the hole.

    The theory is that the wind will travel down the hole and provide the oxygen necessary. Since there is an abundance of oxygen, the wood will burn hotter, thus less wood necessary and less smoke. Works like a champ!
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    Notice the premade tools off to the side for operating the cooking pot. And yes, the magnesium starter works. This was taken the second day of field craft during Survival School. Notice the draft hole for the fire pit.

    image.
     
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  2. sniper-66

    sniper-66 Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Just found this pic. It was the next morning as we were boiling the first pot of water for a face wash and some acorn tea. By product, warming fire.

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  3. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Good method, I hadnt heard of doing the second intersecting hole before.
    Two other tips for any who may not know or think of it, first would be to use the driest wood possible. The thing that will show a fire the quickest is the smoke. Green or wet wood produces a lot more smoke than dry wood. The second would be to build your fire under folage. Make sure there is enouph room over the fire that you arent catching the tree on fire, but going up through the limbs and leaves of a tree will help to disapate the smoke enouph that it is much harder to see.
     
  4. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    thanks, we need to get together for some field craft lessons from Sniper
     
  5. phishi

    phishi Psy-Ops Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I second that motion. Name a time and place, and I'll see if I can't be there.

    Phishi
     
  6. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Truman lake in MO when ever you want. That way I can manage the road trip. :twisted:
     
  7. ghrit

    ghrit Old, mean, and nasty Administrator Founding Member

    Way back when I was a pup, ( :oops: and later when I got interested in the fur trade) a similar technique was used for small heating/cooking fires in teepees and tents. Instead of the intercepting hole (tough to do in sand) we used a small trench out to the side and put a rock (or GREEN log) over it for a sorta bridge. The same effect, works well. Also (to repeat, use DRY wood, squaw wood is best) and start SMALL. You will be amazed at how effective it is, and how much cooler the cook will be.

    The boy scouts used to have a thing called "hot pot tongs" for lifting things on and off fire pits and grills. Ideal for the application, should be in any kit used for camping.
    Get one, or fake it with a pair of water pump pliers. Makes getting your tea bucket out of the hole a lot easier.

    Gawd, my woodscraft has decayed from disuse.
     
  8. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Thanks for the lesson. That could really come in handy. I look forward to more. The pics make it even better.
     
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  9. sniper-66

    sniper-66 Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    How about Iraq next fall!!!

    Ghrit, you are correct, you can dig a trench and cover it with rocks or wood. The only problem I found with that method is that the draft hole tends to be big enough that the coals start backing up into the draft hole and you have to clean it out more often.

    BTK, Yes, I look that young. Can still get carded in a bar if I try!
     
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  10. phishi

    phishi Psy-Ops Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Gosh, your playing Iraq huh? I was hoping for a venue a little closer! LOL. I'm sorry you are being deployed, may you come home safe. When are you shipping out?

    Phishi
     
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  11. sniper-66

    sniper-66 Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Not until next spring is the activation and then the deployment is in late summer. I guess we could do something a little sooner I guess!
     
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  12. aviationlifesupport

    aviationlifesupport Monkey+++ Founding Member

    sneaky beaky fires

    howdy ,

    i concur with sniper ,
    its exactly the same thing we used to do back in the days when mess tins were a scale item ,
    you can still do this with the issued teflon coated mugs and the old hexamine cookers too ,

    another neat trick much along the same principle was the "mauri" oven ,

    i have to aggree with sniper as A he is 100% correct , and B i know him ha ha
    and yes folks , its not seasonal , sniper looks like that all year round !

    i gotta figure out how to post pictures on here....

    davey
     
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  13. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Re: sneaky beaky fires

    Look here Dave
    Did You Know? Forum Tips and Tricks (New)
    and see if this helps ya with that, if not PM and I will walk ya through it.
     
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  14. aviationlifesupport

    aviationlifesupport Monkey+++ Founding Member

    pic

    lets see if this works.....
    me_and_lsw_211.
     
  15. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    YA DID IT!
    rockon_145.
     
  16. aviationlifesupport

    aviationlifesupport Monkey+++ Founding Member

    it works !

    see , all us limeys are butt ugly !

    was a long lllloooonnnnnnggggggggggggg time ago , when i had hair and less of other things
    sennybridge_in_winter_117.
     
  17. aviationlifesupport

    aviationlifesupport Monkey+++ Founding Member

    give the boy a banana !

    wooooohooooooo heh heh

    well , now thats another thing i got figured out today , great stuff !

    you know , i have tought hundreds of recruits how to live and fight in the field , the hardest challenge was my missus ,
    will post some pics tomorrow , got her lighting fires blah blah blah in no time ,

    the only key word you need to know when training any man women or child is E.D.I.P. !

    EXPLAIN

    DEMONSTRATE

    IMMITATE

    and

    PRACTICE !

    works every time ,

    catch you tomorrow , its 20:35 hrs here and the missus needs a good seeing too ,

    davey
     
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  18. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    G Night Dave
    Great Pictures, thanks for sharing them!
     
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  19. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

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  20. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Back in the day we used C4.

    As the smells from either travel far, fires and cooking are usually a no no.
     
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