How long can you store kerosene?

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by Bear, Oct 30, 2010.


  1. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Was playing with my camping stoves, love my old Brunton Nova... before they shipped manufacturing off to some asian country.... and have always bought the small cans from the hardware store in the paint section... marked for heaters...

    Then I saw a 5 gallon container of kerosene and wondered.... do you have to add stabilizer like other fuels?
     
  2. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    I believe you do...I think it lasts even less than other fuels...not sure though. I'll be using alcohol... :D
     
  3. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    If for some reason it is necessary, use the same stuff as for diesel. FWIW, I've used kero that was several years old with no problems whatsoever. Kero is a less well refined form of fuel oil than diesel, has more paraffin (wax), but less than heating oil. I don't think there are any additives that can cause problems, but evaporation will make the proportion of paraffin greater.
     
  4. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    So, one might surmise that FULL cans of Kerosene, well sealed should be good to go with little or no degradation, and partial cans may experience an increase of paraffin percentage which might possibly cause a problem. Correct?
     
  5. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Off the top of my head, treated diesel is good for out to about 12 years and I had thought Kero was good for about 9 or 10. I'm assuming this is treated and I used to treat my 20 gallons of kerosene with the same stuff I was treating my diesel, PRI D. In retrospect, I'm not sure an additive is a good thing for kerosene that will be used indoors.

    Be interesting to see some replies here by some more knowledgeable folks.

    edit: Just found this listed as a kerosene treatment for indoor heater use: http://www.msiwix.com/prid_kerosene_additive.htm
     
  6. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Correct.

    I have to say, I really don't have any experience with stuff like Pri-d or any of the other products, never felt the need. Have to say also, they probably don't hurt. The paraffin won't be a problem as long as temps are moderate, the problems arise when it gets cold, it'll plug up the tubing. I have also to add that I've gone over winters without treating the gas in my bikes, so I'm skeptical of any sales pitches for additives. I may eat those words some day, but it hasn't happened yet.

    Diesel is a better choice if temps go below, say freezing, and arctic diesel (winter fuel at the truck stops) is even better in that regard. Both of those are refined to a greater degree, meaning the paraffin content is a lot lower. If you can find it, JP-8 is the stuff to have (any airport that supplies military jets ---.) It's even better in the cold. Not a lot of difference between JP-8 and kero except for the higher level of treatment at the refinery, and it lasts foreever, so they say.

    Unless the burner is designed for it, DO NOT use kero or fuel oil indoors.

    Like everything else, rotate your stocks.
     
  7. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    I like alcohol as well... and have recently got, tested and really like the White Box Alcohol Stove... really nice... and the fuel doesn't have all the nasty additives that other types of fuel may have.... use Yellow Heet... supposed to be pretty clean stuff... find it at the automotive to take water out of your fuel system....

    But like the fast heating of my Nova... and it's been bullet proof for me... too bad the new ones are crap...

    Gotta try alcohol in it... but its not recommended... oh well... so much for me and recommendations... kinda hard headed that way...[slow]
     
  8. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Thanks... read about some additives... but wanted to ask the "experts":D
     
  9. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Yikes that's a good long time... heard about PRI D... guess any additives are not good indoors... kinda like alcohol that way... wonder how long alcohol stores???
     
  10. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    That would be former drips under pressure?

    [peep]
     
  11. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Not too worried about temps going below freezing here...[slow]
    More camping and emergencies... hurricane season is around the corner so checking everything... would love to get a butane adapter... but the Brunton Nova is an all fuel type expedition type camping stove ... so it will burn gas, diesel, kerosene and even rapeseed (whatever that is)....
    Good tips... won't use this indoors for sure... too dangerous....
    Just wondering if I can put 5 gallons away... sure to use it up in 10 to 12 years...:D

    Never like storing gasoline... although I did at one time for the generators... now I have propane for that....

    Guess kerosene just seems like a safer alternative to store than say gasoline or white gas etc....

    Thoughts?...

    Thanks for all the comments... you guys are the best!!!!!
     
  12. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    LMAO...

    for old farts like me... that takes on a whole different meaning:D
     
  13. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    How much firewood do you have cut and stacked for winter? :)
     
  14. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Enough to fill the hibachi and make smores with my daughter on xmas eve... wanna join us???:D its a tradition... glad to have you and the family...
     
  15. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I would love nothing more than to be at your place on Christmas. Maybe next year we can plan something.
     
  16. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Yup... nothing like Christmas in Hawaii... we gotta work on that... maybe have a gang over...:D
     
  17. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Getting a group of monkeys together is tougher than herding cats. I'd be more apt to plan something for my core unit.
     
  18. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    I'm cooking up a plan already... yeah.. core unit will be easier... we'll talk soon ...

    Hope it was a good Halloween... my princess was a pirate... how about yours?
     
  19. Byte

    Byte Monkey+++

    I can't remember exactly where white gas fits in but a few months ago I started up my MSR Whisperlite. The fuel bottle had some Coleman fuel that had been sitting in it for over 15 years. Seals are all shot but they worked. I've since replaced them, however. Primed it and it fired right up. Had some soup boiling in just a few minutes. Too bad the price for a gallon has risen over 250% in those past 15 years. The can that the fuel in my bottle came from had a sticker price of $4.98. I bought another gallon about 5 years ago and it was over $10. Now I see them for $12.99. The stuff seems to last quite awhile.

    Anyway, again I'm not sure how white gas compares to kerosene exactly.

    Byte
     
  20. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    White gas is simply gasoline without the fuel additives. It will keep forever in a sealed container, there's nothing to degrade except by evaporation. I don't believe it will ever gunk up with varnish either, so all you need to do is close the container tight and put it away. If there is a deposit, alcohol should clear it out pretty quickly.

    Now, I'll dig really hard into memory (rather than look it up) and say that white gas is first cut after driving off gaseous fractions from the feedstock in the refinery distillation column. As the feedstock becomes depleted of gasses and gasoline, the heavier products get taken out, including diesel and fuel oils of various grades. What's left at the bottom is essentially tar. (Bunker C heavy oil is not quite tar, but almost. It doesn't move at room temps, has to be heated to pump.) After distillation, all these different grades of liquid petroleum go thru more steps, including blending and addition of modifiers that get the properties they want for sale. Somewhat oversimplified, but you get the idea.

    Anyway, unless you have a burner that will handle white gas and/or fuel oil of any grade, you can't substitute one for the other. I believe that Coleman fuel is white gas, just packaged for convenience (and priced accordingly. Not to mention that I've not seen white gas for sale anywhere in the last 40 years.)

    BTW, I regenerated some Coleman cork seals with a healthy application of 3in1 and letting them sit a day or two.
     
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