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How to store gas for long term

Discussion in 'Peak Oil' started by learningsurvivor, May 20, 2012.


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  1. PAGUY

    PAGUY Monkey

    I'll leave that to the readers to decide. There is always more to a statement then is initially understood.


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  2. TheEconomist

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  3. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    For us as we heat with wood I either resort to using hand saws and axes or figure out long term fuel storage. PRI-G Claims up to 10 years. I don't know if I believe that. I have some regular pump gas in my garage that is 4 months old and it works fine. I keep 3 years wood supply cut split and stacked and enough gas oil and chains to cut another 10 years worth of wood. That is without resupply right now. If I add another 20 gallons I can cut and haul another 4 years worth. That is all estimated at the level I use gas today. After that with no resupply we will have to resort to cutting by hand tool and hauling by hand cart. I am saving the Oak trees on my property for that reason. Today we cut 5 miles from home in the federal lands. As fuel gets tighter we will move closer to home until we are cutting our own trees by hand. I cant ask for any more from Gasoline. If I can get 4 to 5 yrs storage? Ill be very happy.
     
  4. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    I am looking to get to where Andy is. He has kept gas for 4 years. I am rotating 20 gallons out every year keeping 60 gallons. Im testing one gallon in September which will be the first 4 year old gas I have run. Ill run it first in the old Poulan saw before I put it in my Stihls.
     
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  6. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Well, since I am the local Fuel Distributer, my Gas is usually never more than 6 months old. Last barge of the summer tops off the Fuel Tanks, then it is 6-7 months, till the First barge, in the spring. Modern No-Lead, No-Alcohol, Gas stores in 10KUSG Tanks just fine, as long as you keep the water tapped off the bottom of the tank. (every month or so) Diesel can be stored for decades, in the same situation. Best storage is sealed drums, and good 2 micron Filters when loading them up. ..... YMMV....
     
  7. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Do you have running water? River water could run a log splitter by raising a weight like they use to drive piles and sand points for wells. And sawmills ran off river water at first.
     
  8. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    No. I live on a small lake. Im still young enough to use a splitting maul. Its the chain saws I am want working long term. So far I can keep gas for 4 years(marine gas with marine stabil) I got 60 gallons rotating right now for the saws and the tractor.
     
  9. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    There is still away to do it. The Asians are now installing and using a new type of wind collector. It is a series of piazo crystals strung like vertebrae in a backbone, 50 feet or so high. It generates power two ways. the crystals (the expensive part) click together as the pole quivers in the wind, generating electricity, but for your uses, it's the other part that will do work. the base of the pole constantly works a pump handle moving fluid from a lower tank to a high tank. When the wind dies the fluid is released to fall through turbines back to the lower tank, generating power in the process. You could use the pole alone, pumping water to a high tank, and use the falling water to saw wood, or for free power. saving your fuel for only where it is needed most.
     
  10. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    I have often thought of using wind of some sort to pump water up from the lake. I already rigged a solar powered pump to water the garden with lake water. The amount of water needed to produce enough power is staggering. Without a river with constant flow the cost to build something to store enough water would be 10 times what a solar system would cost. Believe me I have looked at hydro,mini hydro, rain capture etc. It just doesn't add up. My best bet here is a mix of solar panels and wind turbines charging a 810 amp hour battery bank for 120 volt power. I have water pumping covered now with a propane powered generator for out to 20 years. That unit is new and makes 8000 watts. If I run it once per week for 1/2 hour I can fill all of our water jugs, take a shower and run a few power tools for near 20 years with 500 gallons which I have. If I get another 500 gallon tank I can double my weekly use. I have 4 100 pound cylinders and several 20 pound grill tanks and can scavenge small tanks as well. I am saving the gas for like you say essential uses like cutting wood and hauling wood. ALL of my stored gas is for the chainsaws and tractor. I converted my Jeep to run on Propane so I wont use gas in it.
     
  11. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Sounds like you're well prepared. Don't forget, windmills have pumped water since they were invented.
     
  12. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    "Diesel can be stored for decades, in the same situation. Best storage is sealed drums" and "I am saving the gas for like you say essential uses like cutting wood and hauling wood. ALL of my stored gas is for the chainsaws and tractor. I converted my Jeep to run on Propane so I wont use gas in it."

    Anyone ever convert a chain saw to run diesel? I'm sure a sawmill and log splitter could be done diesel. Would it be cost effective to eliminate gas from your needs? And a standard windmill could pump water to a raised holding tank for showers, and drinking as well as crops, low tech and easy to fix.


     
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  13. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    Most if not ALL chain saws are two stroke engines. I cant see them running on Diesel or even propane. I have given lots of thought to electric chainsaws running off of deep cycle batteries and an inverter. Charge them with solar.
     
  14. KAS

    KAS Monkey++

    they do make mattery chain saws and they do make diesel chain saws...
    i dont know how good the battery saws are or how big...
     
  15. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    Stihl makes a real nice 120 volt electric saw. I have tried one and it cuts great. Ac is a much better way to go as far as batteries go. For instance I can take a bank of 4 deep cycle 12 volt batteries fully charged and keep them in the back of my truck along with the right size inverter. Then I just run a 100 foot extension cord to the wood . Battery pack saws are terribly weak and I would have to buy 10 or more battery packs just to cut for one day. The 120 volt saws cut almost as good as the gas ones. I have never seen a diesel powered chainsaw. That wouyld have to be a real small diesel engine or it would weigh a ton. Diesels are not known for making high rpms. This is why most are 2 cyle gas engine. They wind up fast and make lots of horse power in a light weight smaller engine.

    This is the saw I want for when Im all solar. MSE 180 C-BQ Electric Chain Saw - Mid Range Electric Saw | STIHL USA
     
  16. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I've a 14" Husky electric, works very well (better than the previously owned el cheapos both gas and electric) and you don't have to keep starting it with a yank between resetting the wood for a safe cut. Not worth squat in the woods unless within the radius allowed by the cord, but it's all I need around the yard. I've used it on 24 inch logs, and eats its way thru as well as any gas saw, if a tad (small tad at that) slower than a gasser.

    My gennie is on a wagon that I can haul around with the mower. That keeps the voltage drop in the cord under control, max of 50 foot cord. (I've run it on the hundred footer, but it's noticeably less snorty.)
    I drag the gennie around as needed with the mower, and run it off a 50 ft heavy duty cord.

    I haven't seen a diesel, but have seen 4 stroke engines on two man saws years ago (over 50 years) before two strokes were made "reliable."

    (NB: Two stroke engines and I do NOT get along. Every one I've owned, regardless of manufacture, has self destructed; two of them did it twice after repairs. At first I thought it was a failure to follow the directions, but proved that otherwise with careful attention.)
     
  17. jasonl6

    jasonl6 Monkey+

    Here is a 40 volt saw - if you have the cash.

    Jason
     
  18. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    15 ten inch cuts. That's not even one tree. This is why I said you would need 10 batteries. You would get a lot more cuts with deep cycle batteries and an inverter using a 120 volt saw. They do work and for small jobs around the house they will work. The battery packs are extremely expensive. I can buy two 12 volt deep cycle batteries and an inverter for less money.
     
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  19. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Yes, you could. And you would have more options of what to do with that power.
     
  20. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Moderator Moderator Site Supporter++

    Does it matter whether you store summer vs. winter gas. I read on that the summer gas doesn't evaporate as much. Does anyone take this into consideration when storing fuel?
     
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