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How Will They Confiscate Your Guns?

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by melbo, Jan 20, 2015.

  1. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    by John A. Sutter
    in California

    For decades I have heard gun owners claim that the government would never be able to confiscate our firearms because the government would lose too many men. The implication being, of course, that gun owners would actively resist confiscation, even to the point of shooting back. But I believe this thinking is outdated and doesn’t align very well with reality. But before you tell me how big your honor guard in Hell will be when that day comes, let’s think about how the government could really do it.

    Suppose, for the sake of argument, the government bans all civilian possession of firearms at the end of this month. Congress passes a total ban and the President cuts his own re-election throat by signing it. Gun owners get some grace period to turn them in, even beyond the deadline, without being charged with a crime. If we use Australia and Britain as examples there will still be a significant number of firearms that are not turned in. Some estimates put the Australian turn-in at less than 25% and the British faired only about 28%. But Australians and the British have long been used to obeying almost every gun control law. Not so the Americans. When laws are passed that we don’t like, we bite. We scratch. We vote. So here we sit after the guns have been collected and the amnesties have run out. Now what? Send out the personnel carriers, swat and shock troops to seize the guns from those militia “terrorists” who refused to turn them in? Don’t be silly.

    The government has lots of records about you. If you purchased a firearm since 1968, chances are that they have some record of it somewhere. Most likely, it will take quite some time for them to compile all the serial numbers of “surrendered” guns (surrendered essentially at gunpoint) and cross off the ones you turned in. It’ll take more time for them to attempt to “clean up” their data. Say, about two years, maybe three. Add to that the hordes of people keypunching in hundreds of thousands of sales and registration records from hundreds of gun stores forced out of business. At some point the government decides they have something approaching a “good” database of unaccounted-for guns.

    The next thing you’ll get from the government is an official looking notice that they think you still have a firearm. Their information will probably include all the information from registration forms, right down to the serial number. That notice will tell you that you’re in violation of the law, subject to prosecution and imprisonment. It will give you some period of time to surrender the gun. It will also give you a very limited number of days to return the form with an explanation of why you don’t have the gun, any proof you have, and your signature that the gun was lawfully disposed of. For many people the idea that the government “knows” they didn’t turn in that pistol or rifle and they have the detailed information about it will be enough to get them to surrender the gun. Some people will ignore the letter, others will scrawl a note that “I sold this in 1982 in a private sale”. After some time, the government will figure out how many guns are still out there and what the “compliance rate” is with the gun ban. More importantly, they’ll start sorting their database by the number of guns someone supposedly has “unaccounted”.

    If you think they’ll come at these multiple-gun owners with a swat team, guess again. Their most likely tactic will be yet another letter (maybe two more) that generate what they’ll call “insufficient responses”. That means they can’t track a gun after you owned it. This they’ll use as fodder for a search warrant and/or perjury charges at a later date if they can. My guess is that the time between April and August will be a bad time for a lot of “former” gun owners. Remember that the BATF is an arm of the Treasury department and they control the IRS. You’ll probably get a notice in the mail that the IRS has some questions about your taxes or wants to audit you. When you make the appointment to visit the IRS they will pass that information to the BATF. While you are sweating over your deductions, the BATF and local police will execute a search warrant and search your home looking for guns. With you safely off site and distracted, essentially forced into “the royal presence” of the IRS they will snag your guns. Expect them to use slow-scan and ground penetrating radar to search walls, yards, under the patio or deck, the basement, etc. You might even find your hot tub has been drained and moved. Yes, they’ll search your car in the IRS parking lot too.

    If you are one of the those people they suspect of having multiple guns and they don’t find any guns at your home, expect them to find and search storage facilities, safety deposit boxes and other places you might use. Warn your relatives who live nearby that they can expect a visit too, even (or perhaps especially) if they never owned a gun. If they are thorough, I’d expect the government agents to check your neighbors to see which of them previously owned a gun and perhaps search their homes, arguing that your neighbor could have held your guns while agents searched your home. Remember that at this point the government authorities don’t have much to fear from the general population. And by the time your complaints are run through the mill, rejected and turned into lawsuits, they’ll have changed the rules.

    But you only have one gun you say? Fine. They won’t come looking for it. But they will make sure that possession of ammunition is also a serious crime. Don’t leave any loose cartridges around and where will you hide that case of ammo you rushed out to buy? Expect any “gun parts” to be made illegal at some point in time too. Spare magazines, maybe even old cleaning kits. Anything that says “gun” will be interpreted as “probable cause” to search your entire home. Also expect that you can never use that gun without becoming a serious felon in the eyes of the government. Even if some thug has repeatedly stabbed you with a large knife and threatened to rape your six year old daughter, they won’t forgive you for having the gun. They may even give you extra penalties for using it to save your family. Especially if you are one of the first few hundred people caught this way, they will use you to “set an example”. This will cause people to “bury” their guns away in hiding places, making them all but useless. If the government does come to confiscate it, you won’t be able to get to it fast enough and they will probably find it.

    You’ve moved several times since you bought a gun? Remember showing your ID when you bought a gun? Remember writing down your place of birth? Why do you think the government has so many computers? Linking you to your new driver’s license in another state shouldn’t be too hard. Besides, the Treasury folks know where you work. Think you’re safe because you had unregistered guns? Think again. I would expect that the government’s database will contain a lot of old data. Some of it might indicate that a gun was sold to a resident at your address. If they can tie you to ammo sales or range use with your credit card in the previous 2 years you might get a surprise visit. Or that seller might have remembered you bought that gun from him and filled out his gun notice to get “off the hook” for that gun.

    The point of this article is that by thinking in limited terms of a “raid” to confiscate guns we lose sight of the alternative methods the government can use. Put yourself in the government’s position and think of your own methods to avoid a conflict. Meanwhile, let’s ensure that every gun owner votes for gun rights this year and the next. You can think of a thousand excuses not to vote, not to help a campaign, not to help another gun owner register to vote. I can think of one important reason to do all of those.


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  2. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+ Founding Member

    If I owned guns I would remember the ones I bought in person to person no paperwork sales, not that I would ever own a gun..
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  3. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

  4. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    A highly possible means of confiscation...... in fact, down right spooky.

    If they pass a law like this, hard decisions will need to be made quickly...... a fight for liberty or subjection to TPTB. Neither is easy.... and only one is the right way, according to our founding fathers demand for the people to protect that hard earned freedom & independence. And as the article suggest.... the slow grind of tyranny has to be addressed immediately, or tyranny will overcome even the most ardent patriot in due time.

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  5. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Interesting read and likely a way they would go about it eventually after trying their jackboot techniques. Funny that the guy that wrote it is from Commiefornia and didn't think of what happened there when the assault weapon ban when into effect and the aftermath. I was involved in the gun business down there when the ban went into effect and I would bet that at least 50% of the people did not register them. Before the ban went into effect AW's were flying off the shelves and do you think all those people planned on buying them and then registering them? My point is that Commiefornia has not done anything drastic to confiscate weapons and the ban went into effect 26 years ago. Feds could have been called into CA to help confiscate but that did not happen, YET! Lets hope we never have to find out how this will play out in a national ban and I'm thinking it would get ugly.
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  6. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    I carry my grandfathers guns, they are part of my heritage.
    I carry my father's guns, they are part of my heritage.
    they are my son's legacy.
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  7. NotSoSneaky

    NotSoSneaky former supporter

    There will never be a large scale (house to house) confiscation.

    Why ? In two words: Fool's errand.

    Oh, here's two more: Dead cops.

    What might I do ? Time will tell.
    Hopefully I will die of natural causes long before such foolishness comes to be.
  8. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    When the sheep fall to their knees we will use them for cover.
  9. techsar

    techsar Monkey++

    How Will They Confiscate Your Guns?

    Answer: Hot & empty.[peep]
  10. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Please do not confuse cover with concealment ---
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  11. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Depends how deep you stack them.
  12. TXKajun

    TXKajun Monkey++

    "Sir, prove to us that you no longer have that gun." Awfully hard to prove a negative.

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  13. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Metal weldin' monkey Site Supporter+

    When this comes to pass, and I believe it will with all my heart, each person will have to make that choice for themselves. Doesn't matter much to me what "reason" is used the result is the same. Without the 2nd all is lost anyways. My Wife and I have made our choice. I probably shouldn't go into detail as to what that choice entails..
  14. Idahoser

    Idahoser Monkey+++ Founding Member

    The Constitution is just a piece of paper. Without blood backing it up it has no meaning whatsoever. It was given to us by men, just like it has been taken away by men.
    It was codification of the decision to govern ourselves, which we have since then refused to do.
    We get the government we deserve.
  15. gundog10

    gundog10 Monkey

    Good write up, but, here's my take. You live in Kalifornia, (me to for 2 more months) where the sheep are a plenty and only a few wolves. There are many states that would openly tell the feds go S%#$W themselves and would assist there citizens from any attempts of this nature. Further more, while Kalifornia has mass armies of law enforcement and feds, states like Utah, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona have very few. and the citizens of these states are fierce in their beliefs. When the first letter is sent out, the governor would be greeted with hundreds of armed law abiding citizens asking for answers. Being from a small town in Utah where there is a total of 6 cops for 15,000 people, no one is taking anyones guns. States like Kali, New York, DC might have this happen but free states, not going to happen. I'll bet Texas will have their armies waiting for the FEDs.
  16. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    No one,in or out of their "Right Mind" would ever try and pull off something like that in Utah, or Alaska...
    It would be Suicide, plain and simple..... There just isn't a Scenerio, where the populous of those States would allow, ANYONE, .GOV .MIL. .??? To do something like that. In Utah, the Mormons would just ignore the Order, and run their neighborhoods, under their, already in place, Church System....
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2015
  17. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    That's awesome!!! + 10,000
  18. tedrow42

    tedrow42 Monkey

    most states will simply ceceed eather by state gov or state gov over throw.
  19. Grayhawk845

    Grayhawk845 Monkey

    I would never ever disobey my government agents. And only the police and military and those in charge of the security of money and our glorious leaders should have guns. I will do whatever my leaders tell me. Because they look out for the safety or orderliness of our people as a whole.
    And I've never even held a gun much less owned one.
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  20. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I agree it's unlikely on a large scale, but when you receive a letter in the mail and a summons, when you are essentially criminalized and therefore not in a position to do anything as they raid your home, what then? The .Gov can take its time raiding homes with court orders and the IRS, all day every day for as long as it takes. This new Health Bill we have, governed by the IRS. Who do you think is gonna collect for the IRS? I bet you they will take legal action first, every time. Penalties and interest will stack up, folks will sell off property just to pay the income tax, property tax and health tax. Virtually every offense will grant them the "right" to deny you the "privilege" of owning a certain variety of firearm, ammunition, or hunting experience. They are closing the noose tighter every day, little by little, making us slaves to their monetary schemes until the day when we work entirely for them, are unable to resist and therefore completely controllable. How much of "your" money goes to pay taxes now? How much are you paying in health care this year? What do you think it's gonna look like 10 years from now, huh?

    You see, folks...the British learned a long time ago they did not possess the military strength to defeat this nation, so they devised a plan to win not by brute strength and military might, but by the rules of subterfuge -infiltration and simple economics.

    Lots of people will be criminalized. And, history has shown that a lie, if repeated enough, will become truth to the weary and timid.
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