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Is your job useful?

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by melbo, Jan 19, 2008.

  1. Yes

    26 vote(s)
  2. No

    19 vote(s)
  1. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Can you continue your present job if we were to see another Depression or other economic collapse?


    I'm a contractor. I have the knowledge and skills to build you a house or other shelter/structure. I have some limited materials on hand. I can't build a home if we can't get materials however.

    In my area, we are already seeing the beginnings of the Home and Real Estate slowdown... That means that we have a lot of folks like me that are out of work and looking for odd jobs. Not enough people with $$$ to pay all of us workers right now.

    If things get worse, I'll be forced to go into Hunker Down mode (HDM) to keep my family alive.

    What about your job in a depression?
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  2. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    My job will remain essential as long as the shipping industry survives; they just haven't figured a way to keep these yayhoos off the beach yet. SHips will burn or ground or sink or break-down and we'll go get them. OPA-90 response (oil spills, basically) will always be a priority. My boss is turning flips because I won't submit to that TWIC card thing.
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  3. RightHand

    RightHand Pioneer in a New World Moderator Founding Member

    As an accountant who specializes in small business, I already see most of my clients having hard times. My client base is extremely diverse but business in general is down. The question always remains - are we weathering a storm or has the business model changed and this questions affects every one of my regular clients. The telling thing to me is that my client base is extremely diverse - several manufacturers, lawn and garden equipment dealer, property rental owners, contractors, several electricians and plumbers, auto repair shops, a body shop, a developer, a couple non-profits, a car dealer, a liquor store, a video rental business, a couple business service companies - and they are all suffering to one degree or another. If the small businesses start to close, I lose my customer base.
  4. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I see a glimmer of light at the end of this dark tunnel. I strongly believe that "Cottage" industry and black-market will be the saving grace.
  5. RightHand

    RightHand Pioneer in a New World Moderator Founding Member

    One thing that I see as troublesome is that in the consumer markets, more and more sales are via credit card and fewer are by cash. Sometimes, there is a sound reason for this such as one con my Plumbing/Electical/HVAC contactors who pays all his payables with his Amex cards just for the points. He ends up with a couple hundred thousand in Amex bills due every month which is a big nut to pay if business revenue is down in a given period of time.

    I'm also seeing more rejected credit cards and financing apps from customers and many, many more bounced checks.
  6. sheen_estevez

    sheen_estevez Monkey+++

    No, my work is specialized construction (RF shields) I work in the medical end of the business which makes the RF shields for M.R.I.'s. For the last 20 years the doc's have been throwing these things in every building or strip mall they can find. But as times get hard you won't be seeing these things popping up all over the place.
  7. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Righthand, you may well eventually become a "Bean-counter" if the dollar collapses; or corn or bullets; my point is that taxes are not the exclusive proprietor of inventory and logistics. Taxes are what occupies the lion's share of accounting only because it is the system that we have morphed into by our benevolent dictators, but inventory and value must always be appraised and accounted for in a civilized community.
  8. RightHand

    RightHand Pioneer in a New World Moderator Founding Member

    Taxes are the imputus of small business accounting but the value of the information accumulated during the tax accounting process is what can make a big difference to my clients. The ability to accumulate and analyze information so the business can respond is the greatest value I bring to my clients. I have some clients who don't care how many of widgets 1 or widgets 2 they sell. On the other hand, I also have customers who recognize that if Widget 1 sales are up, widget 2 sales are down, maybe it's time reduce production on widget 2 and think about how a new widget 3 might fill a new demand.

    Also, knowing exactly the cost of bring a product or service to market or conclusion is the most valuable information I can provide. It allows me to advise my clients om how to maximize their assets. Although tax consequences are always part of the equation, the thorough knowledge of one's business costs and consequences make the difference between viability and closing the doors.
  9. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    I'm in transition from heavy construction management to retired. I can work, and will (if the right opportunity arises) in either design or field construction engineering. Infrastructure will always need green field work and upgrades, all of which are in my bag of tricks. A tremendous amount of backlog exists, and if funding, either direct or injection, is available, the work will happen, depression or not. (If funding, read that as IOUs from the customer entity, cannot be used, we are carrion any way.) However, the retired career appeals to me right now, and is certainly viable.

    Life is a ball if you get to pick the music. :lol:
  10. RightHand

    RightHand Pioneer in a New World Moderator Founding Member

    An example of that information is the cost vs return of adding a new employee.

    In a manufacturing environment, it takes approximately 3 months before the first hour of a new employee's labor brings the first dollar into the business.

    Figure 40 hr/wk at an Avg of $20.hr for 3 months - the investment is over $10K before that employee starts to show a return.
  11. pgrass101

    pgrass101 Monkey+++

    I am a Public Health Microbiologist,

    As long as the goverment requires that; food and resturants to be inspected, diease outbreaks be monitored and contained, and considers that biological and chemical terrorism remains a threat I should be safe.
  12. hartage

    hartage Monkey+++

    I'm a network admin. If SHTF I imagine computer networks won't be that important in post SHTF smaller communities. I used to do custom turbo instalations and engine building. I imagine I could fall back on that and be usefull fixing cars and things. I imagine with a bit of work I could learn to be useful doing construction/building things on smaller scales.
  13. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    I'm unemployed..... and that's a pretty secure position. I've been with the company several months now.

    Oddly enough, if we had a Really HARD crash (civil unrest & all), I'd probably be better off. I might be able to find some profitable work outside the system.
  14. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    My industry (Oil & Gas ) is a catch-22 in a way. Whenever the rest of the economy is sluggish and down, then my industry is up. And contributing through high energy prices to the general slump. When my friends are having hard times and losing jobs, the jobs in my business are plentiful and high paying.

    But I have a hard time feeling any guilt over that. When the economy was growing and healthy in the 80's. (we had the longest period of economic growth since WWll ) in part to cheap and plentiful energy, remember $10 a barrel oil? My business was in the tank. I lost everything I had, was forced to travel from one side of the country to the other seeking work, live in cheap motels if I was lucky, or in my car when I wasn't.

    So right now I am enjoying the fruits of a 30 year career of feast and famine, chicken today and feathers tomorrow. But it pains me to see so many who are struggling and going through the trials that I went through in the 80's.

    As far as useful or needed, I think even post SHTF, energy will be a critical industry. My Grandfather was an oil driller during WWll. He was 4F due to diabete's so couldn't go fight. During the rationing period when everything from pantyhose to gasoline was rationed he got an exemption because he worked in a critical industry. He got an unlimited gasoline ration card. He would taxi folks to the store and into town on his days off.

    I would think that it would be much the same in a dire crises today. Those of us in critical industries, energy, transportation, medical, etc., would be exempted from a lot of any rationing system, for fuel or other necessities.

    I might be a good person to know post SHTF!!!!!
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  15. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member


    Up or down, everyone needs electricity and I am one of a few who can keep it running.
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  16. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I should be at least as well of as I gneraly have been. My BIGGEST aset is probably the fact Im sort of a 'ack of all trades'. Im also curently unemployed but I can take down trees that HAVE to come down in pieces and have the pieces set in just the right spot, cut it to firewood and so on, I can butcher most anything with feathers fur or scales and make it reasonably presentable for the table, I can do a passable job with a cutting tourch or at gas welding and pretty decent on a forge for various metal work, I can work on plumbing and electrical, build a house if I need to from forming foundations to frameing the walls and roof to finishing the drywall, I can hold my own on a dirt far or a ranch, milk a cow or bulldog a steer, a pretty fair cook and several other various marketable skills. Im not nesicarily the best around at most of the things I do BUT I can do any of the things listed and several more passably well (have some experience in them and have done them for a living or a fair bit on my own) so I figure Im flexible enouph that I SHOULD be able to make some kind of income as long as jobs are available and if they arent then I should be able to barter some of my skills, charge here and there and feed my self from my land and still get by.
  17. CRC

    CRC Survivor of Tidal Waves | RIP 7-24-2015 Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    My Grandmother raised me...and she was born in 1901...She lived thru the Depression...

    She always told me that people will drink, no matter what. More during Prohibition, and The Depression , than ever....

    She said bartenders, and morticians always had work...always.

    With that in mind....

    nah...not going to jinx it....I'll tell y'all later.

  18. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Having a gas card that says "United States of America" is a bit of a benefit.
  19. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    You're gonna be a hooker?[booze]
  20. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    Not in an economic downturn.....
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