Land and partnerships....

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by dragonfly, Aug 27, 2010.


  1. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    I have received a few emails from people, most having read about my most recent acquisiton of a new parcel of some 2.21 acres of land...
    It's strange, as many have requested me to become a "partner" in their wanting to acquire property for themselves, but on a much grander scale.
    Some, have their eye on 160 acre parcels, and others were looking to buy 200+ acres.
    Now, I don't know a lot about ranching or farming, and what is needed as far as acreage for doing what, with what. But, I do know it's not easy dealing with a large parcel or section of land, as it is say for only 10 acres or less. Even that can be an expensive proposition. If you have to secure the land, it's a real challenge. Not to mention IF you have larger sections of land, AND the taxes are quite a bit more. I also noted that the guberment has a nice little thing about any land over a certain amount of acreage, say 80 or more, that they can tell you what you can or can't do anymore, IF you are planning on planting crops?
    I can't imagine the hassles there!
    Anyway, a partnership has to be somethiung you'd really want and the other party you'd have to know is well above reproach. Or, you are going to get burned. One way or another, most end up in court.
    I can't for the life of me see whay any 1 person woud have the need for a huge amount of land, other than to just OWN it.
    If you are a rancher or a farmer, I can see the NEED.
    If you are a hunter or are making a hunting lodge or becoming a hunting guide, then yes, again there is a reason. But, why would anyone need that amount of land, that has NO intentions of doing anything with it other than to just have it. In a survival scenario, land and what it can produce would be king ( in my thinking) food and wildlife would be a necessity.
    Now that I can get behind. I can easily understand the concept, having hunted before. The more land you have, the more advantage you have to get game/food.
    But I see a drawback as to having to keep that land secure...It's not gonna be easy. In fact I can't see it being possible unless you have a slew of alarms, and ride fence all day, every day.....
    If you own a hundred acres or more, you can easily "get lost" by staying in the center of it and not having to worry about neighbors....
    If you have a large family, or a bunch of friends, and maybe even be part of some group, then a larger piece of property would be better than not....
    But, I can't see why single solitary people think they need such an expanse of land, just for the sake of having it....
    What do I know?
     
  2. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    I could even understand the concept of "öwning" land...but partnership? I mean, people even divorce, end up in courts, and what if tomorrow the partners get in a disagreement? Courts? I heard a lot of stories about people "owning" huge lands, but I never understood who they buy it from? State? Aren't the forests everybody's property?
    I understand farm land, crops and stuff, but wilderness?
    Anyways, I never liked "partnerships"...too many things can go wrong...been there once, learned my lesson, never more...
     
  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I don't know about the area you live in, but in some areas I have been over the years, folks will buy up all they can and hold on to it so they can later parcel it out to be made into subdivisions and suburban communities. A 1 acre lot in a building zone will run many times the price of an empty expanse purchased at the right time. Just searching for land, you can find these lots going for tens of thousands of dollars, sometimes measured by feet. It's the way land is being parceled out.
     
  4. Detentus

    Detentus Monkey+

    Here in MA we own 13 acres, 8 of which is wetland that no one can develop.(In the back area behind our house.) I came as a parcel like this and really can't be divided up. It does ensure privacy and we can't see our nearest neighbors.
     
  5. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    Wetland? Is it something like marsh or swamp? Visible water on surface?
     
  6. Detentus

    Detentus Monkey+

    Bane, yes, marshy, usually with a beaver dam or two. Lots of wildlife. Fish, too.
     
  7. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    Remember Bane, we have 70% of the entire worlds lawyers. We probably have more environmentalist wackos than all the rest of the world as well. All wetlands (low areas that occasionally, but periodically due to mother nature, flood,) and being low areas, are strictly controlled by government as to what you can do with that property. For example; building a raised grade road across it most likely would not be permitted.
     
  8. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    Not always, the law has become so perverted that what was once no more than a drainage ditch suddenly becomes a federally protected wetland. The law has been severely abused.
     
  9. Detentus

    Detentus Monkey+

    tac, we couldn't develop it, but we can use its resources. We pay taxes on it to the town abutting the land on which our cabin sits. The property is divided between two towns. I also posted No Trespassing signs to keep out those people I don't want in there, although we gave persmission to a neighbor to travel through it while hunting. I have kicked out hunters before.
     
  10. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    Darn, that sounds good! We don't have that here...only lakes, rivers, forests and meadows...no wetlands... :(
     
  11. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    Too much complications and confusing laws you have over there...much simpler here...
     
  12. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Wetlands suck.

    Sorry, Detentus. I wish you the best up there in MA.

    I doubt they will try to take away *your* property as long as you continue to pay the rent.
     
  13. Detentus

    Detentus Monkey+

    We own it outright and everyone pays taxes on land, don't they? I don't foresee any issues. Besides it's not easily accessible by road. Have to travel through the woods to get there. This ensures lots of privacy.
     
  14. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Just found out another new county law has gone into effect...
    It is meant to help, but anything the gubers do is not all that great!
    In the land up in Coconino county, if you have a structure on your land, all trees within a 100 ft distance must be trimmed to 4 ft up their trunks...in case of grass fires. ( looks like Kalifornia's trees now!) All prim and proper dontcha know!
    Now I have no real problem with keeping the area clear of any fire hazards, since there is NO real fire department out there, and if there was, they'd never be able to get to my land.
    I'm concerned about destroying any habitats for wild game, such as: quail, dove, and rabbits. In the winter they like the lower branches as they stay warm, and clear of the heavy snowfalls.
    Guess I'll build them some ground shelters!
     
  15. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Pile all the branches here and there, the bunnies love it.
     
  16. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    Huh...I miss nature...I'm considering swapping my car for a land property by one of the most perfect lake and forests we have here...my wife is gonna kill me in my sleep, but hey, you only live once!
     
  17. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Look at this way:
    Cars come and they go...BUT, land is there forever!
    Can't wait to go back up north....gets in the blood and I need to get away from the city....
     
  18. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

  19. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    To edge back towards the topic for a second, I have a group that wants me to join their hunting consortium. They own leases on large tracks of land for hunting where we are allowed to put in septic tanks, wells, and electric poles and install trailers or cabins. It costs $1200.00 per year membership and you must commit for a minimum of five years to join. There are size restrictions on the bucks taken and does are limited to one per member per year for meat. During the off-seasons, members are required to help plant and maintain feed lots, roads, fire-breaks and such.
    The owner or their heirs, may not develop any of the land or harvest timber without consulting the club for permission and may not cancel the lease without five years notice.
     
  20. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Now, I call that a real opportunity!
    We thought about having a hunting lodge type of deal, but it takes a good sized piece of land!
    My few acres won't get it!
    So, you have to put up $6k? Or just the $1200 a year?
    If it's a yearly payment, that would be great!
    Sounds like a heck of a deal!
     
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