Long Term Fuel Storage

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by CurtisPRI, Dec 26, 2012.

  1. Yes - and it is treated with stabilizer

  2. Yes - but it is not treated

  3. No

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  1. CurtisPRI

    CurtisPRI Monkey

    This post was cleared by Melbo.

    Preparedness – Emergency Power

    Emergency power is a critical lifeline when disaster strikes. But experience has shown that fuels stored to operate the emergency standby diesel or gasoline generators are too often neglected.

    In fact – when disaster strikes – these failures are quite predictable. During Hurricane Sandy for example, generator failures at three New York City hospitals forced mass patient evacuations in the midst of the storm. When Hurricane Irene hit Connecticut in August 2011, backup generators failed at the Johnson Memorial Medical Center in Stafford, with 41 patients evacuated.

    Generator manufacturers estimate that more than half of all generator failures in emergency
    situations are the result of fuel gone bad. When stored for months and years at a time, fuel will deteriorate and become unusable – disabling engines, plugging filtration systems, damaging engine components with excessive carbon – and in some cases – refusing to ignite. This neglect of stored fuel is one of the weakest links in disaster preparedness.

    This stored fuel can be preserved and insured against such deterioration and performance
    failure. The solution is application of industrial grade PRI-D for diesel fuel, or PRI-G for gasoline, to the stored fuel.

    By simply applying a small amount of PRI-D or PRI-G at the time of storing, the fuel will remain refinery fresh and stable. This freshness will hold for a minimum of 18 months, and often many years depending on storage conditions. With periodic re-treating of the fuel, it will remain fresh indefinitely.

    PRI-D and PRI-G are industrial chemistries – the choice of nuclear power plant operators, public and private emergency service providers and even operators of more than 2,500 ocean going ships. PRI chemistry is much stronger than “lawn and garden” fuel stabilizers, and ensures quick startups each and every time. PRI chemistries are also used to restore de-graded fuels to refinery freshness. PRI chemistry is available at many emergency
    preparedness supply outlets.

    Ralph Lewis
    Vice President, Technical
    Power Research Inc.
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  2. TheEconomist

    TheEconomist Creighton Bluejay

    Any chance someone with your expertise might be able to recommend a generator and large fuel storage container that works best with your product?
  3. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    There is something to be said for a Fuel Storage Additive, if one is to keep fuel for "LONG" periods of time. (Years or Decades) I am the local Fuel Distributer, in my area, and we usually have significant amounts of fuel (100K USG or more) that sits for 6 months or MORE, unused, and untreated.
    The REAL Issue with stored Diesel Fuel, is water. If you have NO Water in your fuel, and keep it is SEALED Containers, it can be stored indefinitely, WITHOUT any Additives at all. I have burned Diesel that was stored in SEALED 55USG Drums, that was put up in 1945, with no issues at all, in my Gensets. If your Storage is vented to atmosphere, then you "MAY" get into a situation where Water Vapor is pulled into the container and deposited in the fuel. Then should you have any BioBugs also get into the Fuel from the Atmosphere, they will grow, on the Water/Fuel Boundary, and can, if you are unaware of the situation, plug up your Primary Fuel Filters. This was ALWAYS an issue for me, when we got our fuel from a Tanker Ship, or Tanker Barge, that used seawater to ballast the Fuel Tanks. The BioBugs were always in the fuel we received, and we had to do serious filtering on any and ALL incoming Product. Now all our fuel arrives in 5000 USG Container Pods, with no water involved, and it is CLEAN Fuel, with no BioBugs, or water, Period.
    Gasoline, However is a Totally Different situation, and is much more susceptible to Water Contamination, and degradation. In Gasoline there are TWO different types, that have very different issues, when it comes to Storage. Ethanol enhances Gasoline, and Straight No or Low Lead Gasoline.
    Ethanol enhanced Gasoline absorbs water, from the atmosphere, at a MUCH higher rate than Straight Gasoline, and it loses it's more volatile parts, much more quickly, than Straight Gasoline. Both of these issues are significant in storage situations, of longer than 3 months. Water adsorption can cause BioBug issues in Gasoline, very quickly, in unsealed storage containers. Here in Alaska we have very little if ANY Ethanolized Gasoline fuels, because our Distribution System also supplies the massive General Aviation Fuel requirements, and the FAA will NOT Tolerate, ANY ethanol in Aviation Fuels. By doing this, our Distribution System only needs to deal with two Grades of Gasoline, 80/87 No Lead, and 100/110 Low Lead, instead of the addition of all the ethanolized Crap, that the rest of you have to deal with. ..... YMMV.....
  4. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    @CurtisPRI and others.
    Quick question regarding stabilized fuel.
    Lets say I only have access to ethanol fuel.
    storing in 30 USG epoxy lined sealed drums.

    Drums are not vented.
    How long will fuel last if:
    • treated using standard lawn and garden fuel stablizer?
    • not stablized/treated?
    • treated using PRI-G?
    Can previously treated fuel be treated with PRI-G?
  5. CurtisPRI

    CurtisPRI Monkey

    • With the standard consumer grade stabilizer you would probably get a maximum of 12 months.
    • Not treated probably 3-4 months
    • With PRI-G you can keep the fuel indefinitely with an annual treatment.
    There is no problem with using PRI-G on previously treated fuel.
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  6. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I used PRI-D in my Cummins and also in my diesel storage tank for at least 7 years with no degradation in fuel quality. I may have even added it to my stored kero.

    We use it now exclusively in the industrial back up motors at my plant.

    Good stuff all around and it was first recommended by our own @TnAndy
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  7. CurtisPRI

    CurtisPRI Monkey

    To TheEconomist -
    Honda and Generac make some pretty nice small to medium sized generators.
    As to fuel storage, no recommendations, although I would suggest storing fuel in approved containers designed for fuel storage.
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  8. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Stay away from ANY BIG Box Store Generac Genset.... They are total Crap.... as are the ANY of the Chinese Clones... If you are handy at all, with tools, get on your local CraigsList, and look for an ex-RV Onan Genset.... Even a Used one, will be much better, that anything made today, that costs less than a couple of Grand. The Honda Inverter Gensets are good for what they are, as are their Yamaha brothers.... Nothing can bet a nice xDJx Onan Diesel Genset.... like a DJB, or DJE.... Solid 6 Kw and very dependable. .... YMMV.....
  9. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Generac stuff in commercial grade isn't bad, but it isn't big box priced, either. (I don't think they make a continuous duty machine.) Odds are, the average homeowner doesn't need the commercial grade, but the homeowner's grade isn't top shelf. Save your money, get a Honda.
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  10. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    I've used gasoline stored for two years with Marine-grade STABIL, with no problems in my carburetted motorcycle and 2005 FI Dodge van. I do restabilize each six months. But these days, I try to cycle the gas in and out within a year. My gensets and other small engine gear get only non-E10 gas,alos stabilized.
    This works for me.

    With the reported Port Strike supposed to happen in late January, make sure your fuel stocks are up! They are talking supplyline interruptions for maybe six weeks! We had something similar happen duringthe 2008 storm season, with fuel having become virtually "unobtanium" for a month when the Gulf refineries were down. I had 25 gallons stored and rode my motorcycle - I had little problem getting to/from work. Folks with cars and no stored gas had to forage and wait in long lines. We will see this happen again.
    My bike stands ready, and I have tripled my fuel storage.
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  11. I don't use stabilizer because I rotate my stored fuel through my vehicles every 6 months or so. Of course I only have 55 gallons in storage.
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