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Long Term Recovery - KingFisher bought this up on another forum about this subject

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by hank2222, Jul 5, 2011.

  1. hank2222

    hank2222 Monkey++

    KingFisher bought this up on another forum about how long do you think the socalled Shft liveing .He made the comment about 5 years time frame to get everything back to a semi normal fuctioning level of our life .

    So my way of thinking it going to last as KingFisher said about 4 to 6 years before the lights come back on and the normal way of life is back to a semi point of the water is back running and the lights are turned on and there some type of law enforcement is working in the area .

    So what are thought's on this subect ..
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  2. beast

    beast backwoodsman

    its all gonna depend on how TSHTF. thermonuclear war
    and nuclear winter... could be years and years before we come back
    total world wide economic collapse... we could see barbarism or
    we could see people pull together and fix it quickly
    one could take centuries to fix, the other just a few years
    lets face it, if people start shooting, robbing and eating each other
    we're pretty well f****d as far as a short term return to normal
    once the sheep go wild, they wont re-domesticate easily
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  3. STANGF150

    STANGF150 Knowledge Seeker

    Depending on which way the SHTF, but most likely 10 years minimum. So it'd be a pretty much permanent life shift in how we live.

    Thats why a chunk my preps involve printing knowledge. After all, you can improvise the parts to do things, you can't just pull the How To outta yer rectal cavity. LoL
    An having the knowledge in your head won't do anyone else any good. You can't be the Every Thing in your group ya know.
    At a young age a video game left a permanent impression on me. It was a Sega Genisis system & the game was Mortal Kombat. You could skip thru most the opening title crap but there was one screen you couldn't. It had just three words on it. "Knowledge Is Power" was seared into my soul. So I like to think I know a lil bit of sumthing on dang near everything, as well as trying to learn everything I can. My hardcopy of knowledge I find online gives me more resources I like to think. LoL but damn its hard on printers!!!!
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  4. TnAndy

    TnAndy Senior Member Founding Member

    It will be a LONG time if grid power goes down for more than a few weeks.

    80-90% reduction in population over the course of a year in the US is my guess, that's how dependent on electricity the US is right now.

    How long it will take for the remaining 10-20% to climb back out of a hole is anybody's guess.
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  5. hank2222

    hank2222 Monkey++

    i have alot of the what is called self help type manual's in my library from warfare to working with things like the Foxfire serie's of book's along with a bunch of other book's

    My personal thinking is more of along the line's of the area is going to be a problem for about a year or two with the people getting feed up & tired of haveing to deal with the socalled area problem childern and then the area will go through a time line of a few more years of some lawness due to the fact that we have not completely gotten rid of the socalled problem people in the area and those who pass through the area looking to do some harm or steal from the people in the area ..

    Then about two or more years of rebuilding the area into a nice little subdivision or townships of people wanting the same basic things out of life and we as a group liveing and working togerther to get it done ..Plus by this time you have weeded out the people in the townships who want to letch off of other or are not pulling there wieght in the jobs that are need to be done to keep the township up and running and they will be driven off or out of the areas

    By then the socalled basic think's of life should be happening in a 5 to 7 year's since event happen with some basic thing's working like water and stewage and power to the area with some form of law enforcement type or partol service & court system to deal with the next wave of the problem childern and dealing with them as it need ..

    Plus the justice system will be very short and very easly to follow in the area with alot of basic simple rule for a person to follow if they want to live in the area ..Also by the 7 year mark there should have been some type of township election's for the diff area in the town governing prostion for people to be elected to and that a sign of thing's getting back to normal to a point ..

    There will be some of the area's in the country that will know as the badland's like in the day's of the old west ..

    But i could be wrong and it will take years for thing's to get back to normal after the event that cause the world to step and rethink it self in alot of ways
  6. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Depends on the specific SHTF senerio that happens. If Massive EMPs employed, then it will be a VERY Long Time for Grid, and any Centralized Water, Sewer, Telecommunications, etc, to be restored, and maybe a century, or more. The machines that make the machines, will have to be built from scratch, again, and the talent to do that may be lost, completely. If it is just an Economic collapse, then much easier, and faster recovery. Also it really depends on how many people die. If India, and China get hit the hardest, then they will not be coming here for our resources, but if we, and Europe, get hit the hardest, you can expect those folks to spread, like locusts, seeking resources they do not have. Energy will be KING, Those who have it will do well. Those who do not will perish, or live in squaller. It is energy, that makes the modern civilized world run, not people. If you and your group have it, you can do more, than the people and groups that do not. Ocean transportation also will become significant, in that sailing will be the primary transportation mode across the Oceans. Sailing a Large vessel is almost a lost art, as is building a large sailing vessel that moves cargo. These will be needed, for generations, possibly. Interesting subjects, and thoughts.
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  7. Nadja

    Nadja RIP 3-11-2013 Forum Leader

    Well, I also agree with BTPost on this one. I think if the grid were to go down, many skills will be needed but no longer available. The first thing would be for people to get the grid back up. Ok, lets take a few knowledgable people and give them the resourses they would need. They still couldn't do it very well, at least in a large area, as transport would be needed to salvage parts, like transformers, computers, etc. Where would you go to find ones not damaged ? How much time and fuel do you have to explore just to find them ? Would the roads needed not be full of left over dead cars and trucks ? Fuel depots to fuel your trucks and trailers ? You might need an armed convoy, and still may not know exactly where you would be going to find them in the first place.
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  8. beast

    beast backwoodsman

    these are the reasons ive spent my life learning the things ive learned
    smithing, wrighting, coopering, cobbling, and many others
    there isnt much i cant do without power, its just easier with it :)
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  9. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    My sister in law is in a high position in Comsumers power company in Michigan. They have plans on the books for large scale grid failure.

    First is securing the safety of all power plants. Nuclear, Fossil fuel and Hydro electric. If the plant are functional they will go from there outward repairing need transfer stations and blown panels. Lots of Transformers would have to be checked etc. They have taken into account EMP from both solar flare or nuclear strike. In Michigan power will be restored rather quickly unless the people go around blowing it up. Nuclear winter three years effect max. Ice age is another story. Ash from Yellowstone could cover vast areas snuffing out growth and even destroying some outlying areas but this is pretty short of Michigan. W e might get 3 inches or less. All out nuclear war is the worst possible scenario. Radiation clouds circling the globe for years. Minimum 5 years more like 10 for the atmosphere to clear it. I just dont think we are in for an end of world event and even if we have total economic collapse the grid will still be there and it will still work. This is why I say 5 years. I am planning and prepping for 15/20. I am sure Hank read the rest of that post. I am stock piling propane to run my pump for 17 to 20 years. I really do not think that people are as bad as some of you. We weathered the Great depression as Americans and we will get through this as well. What is coming is good for America believe it or not. Once this sleeping giant wakes up it will crush these Globalist traitors and restore the republic. I see a sovereign United States emerging from the Ashes. Tempered by the fires of justice. We shall have a new round of Jeffersons and Washingtons. Like Jefferson said the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. This battle is coming and sooner then many think. An economic meltdown will trigger people to rally to the cause of liberty. Our Constitution is still the best gateway to Liberty ever designed. We just have to go back to what it tells us . It is a contract of the people. I heard a comment recently that I am going to have made into a t shirt. It says Government should be small enough to fit under the heel of my boot. Now that is what Im talking about . Freedom. Kingfish
  10. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Without the Grid there would be very little food for a lot of hungry people. This means in time your preps will have life or death value to others and you may have to defend what you have, just say'in..
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  11. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    We have talked here before about Wolves, Sheep dogs, and Sheep. In any of the post SHTF scenerios, the wolves and the sheep dogs will clash big time. I believe the Sheep dogs will come out on top. At least I hope and pray they do. The sheep will do what they do best. They can't fend for themselves. They are mindless. They have been sheep so long, and blindly so, they will die with no one to take care of and protect them. The sheep dogs will be too busy clashing with the wolves and also taking care of their own, to do much for them. Some sheep may develope into sheep dogs and try to protect and organize the masses of sheep. I think for the most part it will be too little too late, and that the mass majority of them will die. Some sheep will grow teeth and become wolves, preying on their former herd of sheep. Others will lash out against the Sheep dogs for failing to protect them, and the sheep dogs will be forced to defend themselves and slaughter these new threats. It sucks, it really does. It ain't for the light of heart. Dark days indeed ahead.
  12. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Talked, thought or considered. :D

    Wolves roam to hunt; sheep dogs stay in the pasture because they have something to protect there.
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  13. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Wolves do not mess with Grizzly Bears.... And usually will not mess with dogs, unless they have a significant numerical advantage. .....
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  14. Sapper John

    Sapper John Analog Monkey in a Digital World

    They won't mess with certain Monkeys either...[gun]
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  15. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Actually, you can count the documented wolf/ human attacks one ONE HAND, and they are so rare, as to be almost a fantasy..... now wild Dogs on the other hand, ARE something to be worried about, Planned, and Prep'ped for in any SHTF Senerio..... FACT.....
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  16. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Sounds as if there are two and four legged varieties under discussion. ;) I was playing with tacmotusn's "We have talked here before about Wolves, Sheep dogs, and Sheep" analogy. My ooops.

    As I have "preps" my concerns are more for the two legged variety than the four legged ones.
    I see the four legged ones as food and fur. :D
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  17. hank2222

    hank2222 Monkey++

    I will understand the socalled 4 legged one's better than the two legged one's because of there nature to hunt and kill one's food and yes we are on the food chain with some of the creature's out there in the wilderness
  18. hank2222

    hank2222 Monkey++

    KingFisher i did read all the post and that made me think about a few things along with writeing this post about your thought and how should prep for the long haul of 15 to 20 years down the road because of the nature of thing's
  19. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    'Sfunny how fast the monkey masks can come off.
  20. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    Hank, I doubt Ill be ready for everything. I just try and do what I can every day to move one step closer to self reliance. The closer I get to that goal the fewer things effect me and my family. Im moving toward self reliance regardless of the state of the world. I could care less what they do in China or England for that matter. I dont live there and they dont effect me if I am self reliant. My neighbor is my closest concern, then his neighbor and the next and the next and the next. Do I fear them or are they doing something I should know? When I see a garden I see someone who wont need as much food as the one across the street who borrows sugar once a month and then does not return it. My best guess is we are going to go through a depression and lots of people will be pissed. The gloves will come off and asses will get kicked. We will see some blood shed and new heros will emerge right beside the villains . For every bad guy there are 10 good ones. Good will prevail. Kingfish
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