New Hampshire Legislation... TSA will be in trouble...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by BTPost, Mar 1, 2011.

  1. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Saw this on the NEWS... At least these Legislators, are representing their Ticked Off Constituents....

    CONCORD, N.H. -- A House committee is scheduled to hold a hearing Tuesday on a bill that would make it a sexual assault for an airport screener to touch or view a person's breast or genitals without probable cause.

    The bill (HB628-FN) includes anyone working as a security agent of the federal, state, or local government, and includes touching or viewing with a "technological device."

    The bill states "discussing or possessing a copy of the Constitution, discussing the security apparatus of an airport, being on the premises of an airport, possessing an airplane ticket or any other type of ticket for access to mass transportation, driving a motor vehicle on a public way, or ownership of firearms" should not be considered probable cause.

    Anyone convicted of the offense would be classified as a tier III sex offender. Tier III sex offenders are registered for life and must remain on the public list of sex offenders.

    Now if only a few other States would get behind such Legislation, maybe we could get these Federal Goonies, off our backs...... and out of our "Junk"....
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Always did like, and preferred the airport in Manchester compared to Logan or Bradley. GO NH!!
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  3. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

    Sad, considering we already have this law on the Federal books. It's called the 4th Amendment. Really damn sad.
    Why do I feel like I am the only person getting seriously ganked off by this crap?
  4. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    It's a BRAVE NEW WORLD...order?
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  5. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    You're not the only one. The same applies to the 2nd and Vermont being the only state I know of which doesn't require the exchange of our rights for the privilege to carry a gun.

    But, you know...this matter in NH at least means somebody is fighting the GOV. That will have to do for now I guess.
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  6. BAT1

    BAT1 Cowboys know no fear

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  7. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Go NH!!! Hope more states will follow this, but not holding my breath on it. Where are the doutchebags at the ACLU on this....hiding somewhere with there tails tucked between their legs. See Falcon your not the only one really pissed off about this. I refuse to fly if I have to go through the porn machine and getting molested because I will not is not an option.
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  8. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    DITTO! If they don't back off this nonsense, I won't fly. If they do it for trains, buses and cruise ships, I won't use them either.
    Sadly, this makes me wonder if 'THEY' are trying to curb our traveling, in order to be better able to 'control' us?
    Control the food....
    Control the fuel.....
    Control the movements.....

    CONTROL the PEOPLE!!! [stirpot]

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  9. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Looks like Texas has another "Good Idea" for these TSA Goons

    Simpson files anti-body-scanner bill MAR 4
    Written by: Andy Hogue 
3/4/2011 2:59 PM*

    A freshman Representative filed a bill to penalize airport body scanner operators: Including TSA agents.
    Can they do that to a federal agent? Bill author Rep. David Simpson (R-Longview) thinks so. And he's not alone, with 18 co-sponsors from both parties (see list below) and a few organizations.
    The bill, HB 1938, makes it a civil penalty for anyone working in a locally owned airport to install or operate whole-body imaging equipment -- "including a device that uses backscatter x-rays or millimeter waves, that creates a visual image of a person's unclothed body and is intended to detect concealed objects," the bill read.
    The penalty is capped at $1,000 per day per violation.
    The bill is supported by the Travis County Republican Party, the Travis County Libertarian Party, ACLU-Texas, and Austin-based Texans for Accountable Government which pushed for a city of Austin resolution against the scanners.
    Simpson may also have the backing of U.S. Congressman John Carter of Texas, a member of the U.S. House Appropriations and Homeland Security committees.
    "On Thursday I met with U.S. Congressman John Carter ... to discuss strategies for stopping the federal Transportation Safety Administration’s implementation of unconstitutional and unreasonable searches of U.S. citizens as a condition of travel," Simpson wrote in his weekly blog post.
    If it becomes law, Texas will be one of at least two states opposing the measures, including New Jersey and New Hampshire.
    A press conference on the bill originally scheduled for Monday has been postponed.

    Co-authors so far include: Reps. Jose Aliseda (R-Beeville), Leo Berman (R-Tyler), Joe Deshotel (D-Beaumont), Allen Fletcher (R-Tomball), Dan Flynn (R-Vann), John V. Garza (R-San Antonio), Larry Gonzales (R-Round Rock), Ryan Guillen (D-Rio Grande City), Charlie Howard (R-Sugar Land), Bryan Hughes (R-Mineola), Jason Isaac (R-Dripping Springs), Jim Landtroop (R-Big Spring), Jodie Laubenberg (R-Rockwall), Charles Perry (R-Lubbock), Debbie Riddle (R-Houston), Senfronia Thompson (D-Houston), and James White (R-Hillister).
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  10. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    OK, I'll take back what I said about the ACLU in Texas only and only on this issue.
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  11. hank2222

    hank2222 Monkey+++

    Here is how i see it and i'm guess i'm not alone on this matter for i feel that they are worthless in the socalled fight againest the bad guy's where you have one airport failed 21 time's out of 24 and i wonder how many got through that was not caught ..

    now a person up in the northeast was placed under arrest over helping drug dealer's get into and out of the country and i wonder what else they have missed that area..To me they are the one agency that is filled with the most stupid people i have met when i have to travel by plane..

    i once had a gentlemen who could not understand the reason behind two shaveing cream's and razor's that i used for shaveing my face and head and when his boss came out who also shaved his head had to explain to the guy why two razor and two shaveing cream .. his boss explained to him that the head is a real tender place to shave and that why most guy's who shaved there head use a wet-dry type of razor and shaveing cream design to shave the head not regular shaveing cream ..

    the guy was standing there like a deer in the headlight's look as his boss was explaining this to him ..To me if he could not have figure that one out by looking at my bald head then he need's to get another job ..

    I had went through US custom at the time at New York JFK airport then a flight to Dallas with a plane change in Dallas and i had to go through another gate at another part of the airport and i had go out of one building area and then into another area for the next plane ..

    Heck if US Custom's can figure that one out than why can not that guy ..
  12. BAT1

    BAT1 Cowboys know no fear

    Keep Austin free! That ain't going to fly in Alex's hometown!
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  13. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    TSA stomps in IT, AGAIN... Amtrak is really TICKED OFF

    TRAINS exclusive: Amtrak police chief bars Transportation Security Administration from some security operations
    By Don Phillips
    Published: March 3, 2011

    WASHINGTON — In late February, the Transportation Security Administration took over the Amtrak station in Savannah, Ga., and thoroughly searched every person who entered. None of the passengers got into trouble, but the TSA certainly did — big time.

    Amtrak Police Chief John O’Connor said he first thought a blog posting about the incident was a joke. When he discovered that the TSA’s VIPR team did at least some of what the blog said, he was livid. He ordered the VIPR teams off Amtrak property, at least until a firm agreement can be drawn up to prevent the TSA from taking actions that the chief said were illegal and clearly contrary to Amtrak policy.

    “When I saw it, I didn’t believe it was real,” O’Connor said. When it developed that the posting on an anti-TSA blog was not a joke, “I hit the ceiling.”

    Video of the screening is available at: - Redefining the Media.

    O’Connor said the TSA VIPR teams have no right to do more than what Amtrak police do occasionally, which has produced few if any protests and which O’Connor said is clearly within the law and the Constitution. More than a thousand times, Amtrak teams (sometimes including VIPR) have performed security screenings at Amtrak stations. These screenings are only occasional and random, and inspect the bags of only about one in 10 passengers. There is no wanding of passengers and no sterile area. O’Connor said the TSA violated every one of these rules.

    A posting in late February to the Transportation Security Administration’s blog, which serves as a public relations tool of the TSA, tried to explain why TSA agents took over the Amtrak station in Savannah. But O’Connor said the “facts” as posted on the TSA blog were incorrect. He said the blog indicated that Amtrak had approved of the operation, but it had not. He called the TSA’s posting on “inaccurate and insensitive.” As of the time this story was filed, the same posting remained on the blog.

    A TSA spokesman said he could not elaborate on the blog posting.

    O’Connor said he must take some of the blame because he did not more carefully observe what the VIPR teams were doing. He said the TSA had apologized repeatedly to him, but they must agree to firm restrictions before he will consider allowing them back on Amtrak property.

    The search was first revealed on the blog

    However, that blog got it at least half wrong. The TSA did not, as the blog said, funnel people who arrived by train into the station for a search. Instead, the TSA took over the station and posted notes outside saying that anyone who entered would be “subject to mandatory screening.” Those who know the Savannah station realize that it generally is not necessary for anyone arriving or departing by train to go into the station. It is much easier to park the car or be dropped off near the platform.

    Therefore, why was the TSA searching only anyone entering the station? It might even be easier to explain why they might have searched everyone. For instance, such questions as, did they have a tip someone was carrying a small atomic bomb? In the end, it is not even possible to discern a reason for what they actually did. Why search only people unfortunate enough to need to enter the station – people who needed to buy tickets, an elderly person who was dropped off and needed a place to sit while waiting, a mom whose infant badly needed a diaper change?

    The group involved is TSA’s VIPR operation, which deals with surface transportation. VIPR is short for “visible intermodal protection and response.” It turns out that VIPR has been far more active than imagined. Teams have searched bus passengers all over the country, have done similar things at train stations, and have even blocked traffic on bridges to search trucks and cars. That even included the busy Chesapeake Bay Bridge near Washington.

    The VIPR teams were rolled out on Dec. 12, 2005, then promptly pulled back two days later when it turned out that no one had informed numerous local governments. It was a fiasco. Several local jurisdictions said they had no interest and opted out, including the Washington Metro system. But teams, moving slowly, have apparently re-infiltrated surface transportation facilities. Unlike the TSA at airports, these teams have access to firepower. Although the TSA is not allowed to carry weapons, some armed Federal Air Marshals have been switched to ground duty.

    One major unanswered question is: why? What purpose is being served other than to justify employment? You will certainly hear more about this in Trains.

    My question is: "When is Congress going to Rein in these TSA Goons".......
  14. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    "VIPR" - another Federal 'snake in the grass' that needs it's head lopped off. This GESTAPO crap has GOT to stop!

    Try to search ME without a warrant, two things will happen - the 'agent' gets hospital time, or they call in real cops who I will insist arrest me before searching - THEN the court gets to battle it out. I have my 'line in the sand'. Cross it, Janet - PLEASE...... :mad:
  15. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    TSA is really making a BAD Name for themselves....

    More extensive TSA searches in Sea-Tac Airport rattle some travelers
    TSA searches in Sea-Tac Airport waiting area anger some passengers, but agency won't confirm if it's testing more aggressive searches in Seattle.

    By Christopher Elliott
    Tribune Media Service

    As she waited for her flight from Seattle-Tacoma International Airport to Medford, Ore., last month, Linda Morrison noticed something unusual in the waiting area.

    "A lady in a TSA uniform came over, put on her rubber gloves and went up and down the rows of seats, choosing bags to go through," said Morrison, a retired corporate recruiter who lives in Seattle. "She didn't identify herself, didn't give a reason for the search. She seemed to be targeting larger carry-on bags."

    Morrison was stunned. She expected to be screened at the designated checkpoint area, or maybe at the gate, where the Transportation Security Administration sometimes randomly checks passengers as they board. This was different. "To me, it just felt like an illegal search performed by a police state," she said.

    There's that phrase again: police state. It's being thrown about a lot more since November's pat-down/opt-out fiasco, as public anger over the TSA's new security measures remains high. Which makes the question of whether we're traveling in a police state, or something like it, worth taking seriously.

    At least one other reader also reported the roaming searches described by Morrison, also in Seattle. Christine Porter says she witnessed an identical procedure on two separate occasions. "TSA now randomly appears at boarding gates to check boarding passes and IDs as well as potentially hand-search carry-on luggage," she said. "It's irritating."

    Is the TSA testing a more aggressive screening procedure in Seattle? I asked the agency.

    "TSA officers at airports nationwide routinely screen passengers at the gate area using a variety of methods, including physically searching bags and using explosives detection technology," said agency spokesman Greg Soule. "This additional layer of security is part of our unpredictable approach to keep passengers safe and reduce the risk of dangerous items being carried on planes."

    As is often the case with TSA's answers, I can't tell whether that's a yes or a no.

    I put the police-state question to an expert on repressive regimes. "It's absurd to liken the annoyances brought on by airport security to life under a police state," Washington, D.C.-based human rights activist Mariam Memarsadeghi said. "A police state is defined by perpetual fear — fear of a state apparatus that is incessantly watching over the actions of people for the sole purpose of maintaining its power over them."

    The threat American air travelers face is from not the government but international terrorist networks, Memarsadeghi said.

    So maybe the term "police state" isn't quite right, then.

    James Morrissey, a University of Illinois biochemistry professor and a frequent air traveler, prefers "intrusive security." "TSA has become a law unto itself, and it routinely tramples the civil rights of the flying public," he says. "Unfortunately, there will always be some people who will be perfectly OK with having their rights trampled in the name of security. But allowing this to happen is very disturbing to me."

    Jeff Stollman, a security and privacy consultant in Philadelphia, is irked by "security theater" that offers no real protection against terrorism. "I suspect that a lot of the current controls don't really do that much to improve security," he said.

    Matthew Gast, a technology writer at a San Francisco-based publishing company, believes it's wrong no matter what it's called. "I have not taken a flight since I was forced to allow a TSA agent to put his hands down my pants," he said. "It's the only time I felt unsafe in an airport."

    Supporters of the TSA's more aggressive screening measures point out that no one has to fly, and that Amtrak, Greyhound and personal vehicles are still available.

    But similar security searches are now being conducted on trains and in other public areas, including random screenings of mass-transit riders in Washington, D.C., New York and Boston.

    The TSA has also indicated that it wants to move the perimeter of aviation security screening beyond the airport, to checkpoints on the road, according to Chris Calabrese, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union. If these roving searches are tolerated within the terminal and are allowed to jump to the street, there's no telling what might come next. Conceivably, in the near future the TSA could set up roadblocks to randomly screen automobiles anywhere it pleases.

    If so, it could prompt further outcries from the traveling public and more comparisons to a police state, say Calabrese and other privacy advocates.

    Not all travelers have accepted these new procedures. The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) has filed a suit against the government, claiming that the TSA violated the Constitution and five federal laws when it deployed body scanners for primary screening at U.S. airports. The case is to be heard Thursday in a Washington circuit court. There are also numerous proposed laws to curb the TSA's power by either defunding the body scanners or making dissemination of scanner photos illegal.

    "It's very much out of character for the U.S. to embrace this type of suspicion-less surveillance," says Marc Rotenberg, EPIC's executive director. "But instead of branding it as part of a police state, let's simply put an end to it."

    Christopher Elliott is the ombudsman for National Geographic Traveler magazine and the co-founder of the Consumer Travel Alliance. His column runs weekly at Contact him at

    Will these TSA Yahoos ever learn, they are PUBLIC Servants.... Not the Gestapo.....
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  16. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Thanks for the posts BT, but now I'm REALLY starting to get pissed off!!!
  17. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    I disagree with the article - this IS absolutely becoming a Police State. AndWe The People MUST oppose and put an end to it - or we end up like Eastern Germany during the Cold War. The Stasi would have loved to have the neat toys that Janet Incompetano's bright-eyed boys and girls have.
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  18. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Texas now getting serious about STOPPING TSAs National In...

    National Interest
    Texas Bill Would Make Invasive Pat-Downs a Felony
    Published April 29, 2011 Associated Press

    FORT WORTH, Texas -- A former Miss USA's claims of being groped during a pat-down at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport could be a felony under a bill gaining momentum in the Texas Legislature.

    The bill would make it illegal for a security officer to intentionally touch someone's private areas -- even atop clothing -- unless they have probable cause to believe the person is carrying something illegal.

    Bill sponsor State Rep. David Simpson says the searches are removing people's dignity.

    Last fall the Transportation Security Administration started a new pat-down procedure.
    Susie Castillo, crowned Miss USA in 2003, said she was "molested" during a pat-down last April.

    TSA spokesman Nicholas Kimball says the agency doesn't comment on pending legislation. He says current security measures are the best ways to mitigate the risk of terrorism.

    Climb Up on the SoapBox....

    It is time to get your Politicos fired up about this stuff.... and stop these Yahoos, in their tracks....

    Stepping down off SoapBox.....
  19. BAT1

    BAT1 Cowboys know no fear

    Texas is trying to pass a bill like that too. We have a right to basic dignity. We want DUE PROCESS
  20. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    TSA steps in Baby Poo, 'WE" should put a stop to this stuff

    Photo of pat-down of baby at KCI goes worldwide

    The Kansas City Star

    The Rev. Jacob Jester wasn’t trying to start anything.

    But when he saw security screeners at Kansas City International Airport patting down a baby — a baby — he took a picture. And then he shared that picture on Twitter.

    It went viral, and voila: Jester’s snapshot is the flashpoint of the day in the debate over who should be considered a threat to the flying public.

    Not what he intended, Jester said Tuesday, after the image had been picked up by The Drudge Report and the Daily Mail in London, among others, and viewed nearly 300,000 times.

    “I thought it was a curious situation,” said Jester, a pastor at a youth ministry in Independence. “I have a son about the same age — 8 months old — and I thought that I would not want that to happen to my own child.”

    Jester had just cleared security Saturday afternoon on his way to Albuquerque, N.M., when he saw that the woman and young baby were about to be searched. The baby’s stroller had “alarmed” during explosives screening.

    Jester tweeted his picture with the message: “Just saw #tsa agents patting down a little baby at @KCIAirport Pretty sure that’s extreme.”

    His wife retweeted it. Another local pastor did, too.

    The picture spread across Twitter as others, many with no connection to him, shared the image through retweets.

    “The picture took on a life of its own,” Jester said.

    The Transportation Security Administration, which has contracted with FirstLine Transportation Security to handle screening, issued a statement saying the officers followed proper procedures.

    After the stroller set off the alarm, “officers followed protocol to conduct additional screening on members of the family, who were very cooperative,” the TSA said.

    The agency said it has been reviewing its policies “to streamline and improve the screening experience for low-risk populations, such as younger passengers.”

    Jester’s personal opinion: “An 8-month-old doesn’t pose a threat to airplane or national security. I am grateful for TSA’s willingness and desire to protect, but I believe in this instance that was extreme.”

    To reach Robert A. Cronkleton, call 816-234-4261 or send e-mail to

    Posted on Tue, May. 10, 2011 11:10 PM

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