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Obama releases long form birth certificate

Discussion in 'Politics' started by tacmotusn, Apr 27, 2011.

  1. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

  2. Yoldering

    Yoldering Monkey+

    I just want to know why he waited so long to do this. It would have stopped a lot of arguments if he would have done this when the issue first surfaced. If he wanted to fool anyone with it he should have put it out there years ago.
  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    1. Look up "Certificate of live birth" and then "Birth Certificate" and tell me the difference, please.
    2. None of this is real. The Secret Government makes its own rules, and documents if needed.
    3. If it were a real "birth certificate", it would have been released upon request, which it wasn't.
    4. None of this matters anyway since the People are obviously fooled by the corporate media.
    5. All "Presidents" are only CEO's of the Secret Government's PR firm.

    If the people aren't rioting in the streets, then they don't care about any of this. If they knew the full extent of what awaits them, they would unite and overthrow this cabal of serpents at once.

    YouTube - Preview of Today's Alex Jones Show 4/27/11: Who is Barack H. Obama?
  4. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    I believe that his birth certificate is printed on paper that's Made in Kenya....
    just saying....
  5. bountyhunter

    bountyhunter Monkey+

    it just goes to show that the most powerful person in the world can get ANYTHING he wants,reason it wasnt made public back when the clintons were asking for it was osoma obama didnt have the power to have one made then
  6. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Orly Taitz: Obama's Long-Form Birth Certificate Should Say 'Negro' Not 'African'

    Ryan J. Reilly | April 27, 2011, 11:55AM

    [​IMG] <form action="/scripts/sendmail.php" method="POST"> <input name="title" value="Orly Taitz: Obama's Long-Form Birth Certificate Should Say 'Negro' Not 'African'" id="title" type="hidden"><input name="url" value="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/orly_taitz_obamas_long-form_birth_certificate_should_say_negro_not_african.php" id="url_to_email" type="hidden"><input name="return" value="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/orly_taitz_obamas_long-form_birth_certificate_should_say_negro_not_african.php?emailed=true" id="return_to" type="hidden">In a development that will surprise no one, it turns out that President Barack Obama's decision to release his long-form birth certificate hasn't quieted members of the "birther" movement who promote the conspiracy theory that he wasn't born in the United States.

    </form> "Look, I applaud this release. I think it's a step in the right direction," so-called "birther queen" Orly Taitz told me in one of her many media interviews this morning. "I credit Donald Trump in pushing this issue."

    But she still has her suspicions. Specifically, Taitz thinks that the birth certificate should peg Obama's race as "Negro" and not "African."

    TPM SLIDESHOW: There's The Birth Certificate: TPM's Best Of The Birthers

    "In those years ... when they wrote race, they were writing 'Negro' not 'African'," Taitz says.

    "In those days nobody wrote African as a race, it just wasn't one of the options. It sounds like it would be written today, in the age of political correctness, and not in 1961 when they wrote white or Asian or 'Negro'."

    Taitz says she's not giving up her fight. She also claims Obama isn't a "natural born citizen" because she uses a standard that requires both parents to be American citizens -- a misreading of the Constitution which if enforced would have rendered several other American Presidents ineligible.

    Obama predicted this type of reaction from Taitz and those he described as "carnival barkers" in his comments to reporters on Wednesday.

    "I know that there's going to be a segment of people for which, no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest," Obama said. "We do not have time for this kind of silliness. We've got better stuff to do. I've got better stuff to do. We've got big problems to solve. And I'm confident we can solve them, but we're going to have to focus on them -- not on this."
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  7. overbore

    overbore Monkey++


    The AP has also released a "different version" of the document the White House released.
    Guys, this is too freaking blatant.
    Incidentally, the AP's version was flattened before being PDF'd. Too bad they forgot to do that on the *****house, er, Whitehouse copy.
    Heh AP - betcha you won't look at this!
    Here's the AP's document snippet on the accepted date:
    And now let's have the Whitehouse version:
    Look closely at the date stamp. They're not aligned at the top. The error is small, but it's there. Also note the saturation problems in the Whitehouse version in the word "Date" and the fill on the "A".
    The mystery deepens, but the evidence is even more damning than it was before: This "document" was tampered with.
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    <hr> Posted 2011-04-27 13:34
    by Karl Denninger
    in Politics
    You've GOT To Be Kidding Me (Birth Certificate)

    [​IMG] Oh do c'mon.... oh Donald, this case is not closed.
    You can't possibly by serious.
    This document has been altered and whoever did it wasn't even very clever in doing so.
    I downloaded the PDF from the White House Web site - the "official copy" right from the "Horse's Mouth." Then I loaded it into Illustrator. Look at these images I then screen-captured - first, the ENTIRE image itself:
    Note the light blue border? That's the PDF segment that was dropped in the background, which was the green "safety paper." So far, so good - they just took the safety paper background and then dropped in a picture. All is well, right?
    Well, no.
    Mother's "occupation" - the "Non" on "None" has been altered. What was there before it was tampered with?
    The "Accepted date" (bottom right) has been altered. What was there before it was tampered with?
    As has the other "Accepted" date. What was there before it was tampered with?
    There's another problem with those dates too - they're clearly altered, as is the "None"; here's a well-enhanced (at 1200%) version of one of the dates; you can clearly see the difference in saturation. That was cut into the original picture folks.
    By the way, they were dumb enough to leave the cuts in the clipboard too. The bottom part (certification) I can see since it's clearly overlaid on a background. But the content itself?
    This document has been altered; it is not simply a photograph of the registrar's book that was dropped into a background, and it also is not simply an agglomeration of two images (the background they constructed, the "certification" and then the actual certificate.)
    Now this does not prove that the alterations were actual changes in content. They might not be.
    But..... what other reason is there to alter an alleged high-resolution photograph?
    Got Illustrator? Don't believe me - check it yourself.
    (To get the full list of things on the clipboard, load it and then select "Window->Actions->Links." There they are.)
    Advice to Obama: Next time you try to alter something you're presenting to the press hire someone who knows how to do it without getting caught.

    I heard Rush confirm this crude forgery today as he did the "Illustrator" thing himself and proved the layering on of items on this forgery. This is not going anywhere but Bad City for the "obimination".

    Laus Deo
  8. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Pure and simply, Bull-****! In 1961, all blacks were Negroes, not Africans. African was a geographic location, not a race. There were and are plenty of Caucasian Africans. The PC calling negroes "Africans" or "African-American" didn't exist until the 90s. They may tell us it is an essential scatological contribution to the environment by a necessary species but it smells like Bull-**** to me. I will wager that there is not a single other birth certificate from 1961 in the entire United States that refers to a Negro parent as "African".
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  9. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    These puppets have no power. They are bought and paid for, bribed, blackmailed, or indoctrinated into serving a cause which is questionable and has something to do with ELE events, aliens, and deep underground military bases, along with covert secret government activities. The reality is quite stark: nothing is real, everything is a show. I will say it again, the president is not "the most powerful man in the world', this is the line the media hypes to promote kingship and to condition the public into accepting their own serfdom. Historically, the President is meant to be a servant to the people and only a leader for the military -two separate instances which have slowly been integrated and transformed into resembling the British Elitist rule. Naturally, the Queen and her ilk own most of Canada and has accumulated much of the land via Clinton's term in the United States. The Bank of England and its shareholders own the Federal Reserve, but its member list has not been known since the 80's when it was concealed. If you want to find out who REALLY is the most powerful in this world today, look no further than the ones who create the money.

    So, please stop regurgitating the media propaganda, folks. The President of the United States is nothing more than a PR rep for the global elite. The Secretary of the Treasury, who shares the exact same powers as the POTUS (due to Congress empowering such under USCA Title 12, Section 95(b)) is the one who manages the perpetual debt of the United States, and HE is the one who reigns as champion for the banking cartel. Even so, we must bear in mind that we may never truly know who is behind the banks, even with foreknowledge of the 12 or 13 families and their minions. At this stage in the game, we can only follow the money, and right now all the routes tie in at Israel and the B'nai B'rith Freemasons.
  10. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    The birther hot air balloon will never deflate

    Goodness.....reading through this thread I do wonder whether the thread might fit better in the tinfoil hat lounge : S

    The release of the long form birth certificate was probably a tactical move to remove traction from DT's birther credentials, and to deflate the birther hot air balloon as a distraction to the more important legislative issues to be debated in the forthcoming presidential election.

    There is no doubt that having an African American as a president has generated a vitriolic hatred of this fact among some, and the best that some of these folk can come up with is the birther ploy to roll back the appointment...I look forward to the reaction to a lesbian female atheist president favouring gun control and pro choice policies....an unlikely probability admittedly, but a thought that makes me chuckle.
  11. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    P. O. M!
  12. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Her name is Hillary....

  13. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

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  14. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Book a session

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  15. BAT1

    BAT1 Cowboys know no fear

  16. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Chell, you still do not get it...... we don't give a hoot what complexion the man in the offal office is - it's his policies and what he's done and plans to do that irks us Americans. :rolleyes:

    Many of us also simply don't buy the "pig-in-a-poke" that the political process (via the international banking cartels) has saddled us with. Too many questions, too few answers. Many 'answers' like this 'long form birth certificate' are rife with problems. Maybe we see things that aren't there. But we'd like to be SURE that the "most powerful man in the world" isn't a plant.
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  17. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I am going to agree with Seawolf here. Additionally, the race card is drawn at every comment other than praise for the anointed one and this makes an unbearable burden on a Nation founded by free speakers; now we must untangle the chains of racism before we can tell the man that he has stepped in **** and tracked it across the floor. It is apparent that the document presented is not authentic; way too many deviations from a very common document nation-wide. My biggest issue is the reference to the race of his Father as "African"; that simply was not done here, especially in the 1960s.The Nation demanded he produce this simple document for three years and he finally says "OK"? Pedantic muse aside, something is not right about this.
    If you knew the problems I just went through for two weeks just to renew a drivers license that the State of Tennessee had placed a suspension on in 1991 for a ticket I got in Florida, you would understand. I didn't live in Tennessee any more. The State of Florida didn't see any reason to notify Tennessee that I paid a ticket then changed my license to a Florida one. I just recently found out that I had driven for 20 years illegally with a suspended license that Florida renewed every five years. I had to produce a certified birth certificate to both Tennessee and Florida, two other identifying documents, several hundred dollars and two weeks of dealing with bureaucrats just to get a license to operate a motor vehicle. I would think it should at least be that much trouble or more to become President of the United States.
    "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."
  18. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Plant? That would be a skunk cabbage, maybe? (Sorry, OT.)
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  19. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    YouTube - PROOF!!! Obama Birth Certificate Fraud

    Purposefully making another argument in order to control the outcome and to divert attention. Man, the people are completely screwed. No amount of proof will ever be enough for the slaves who WANT and DEMAND to be controlled by the elite.
  20. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

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    Yesterday the White House supposedly released the president's original birth certificate.

    Here's the problem: I offend just about everyone. It's not my intention to offend anyone, but it's unavoidable at times. I occasionally point out where the Republican party has failed the country. While this makes Democrats happy, it also offends Republicans.

    I also point out where the Democrat party has failed the country. While this makes Republicans happy, it also offends Democrats.

    So by offending Democrats and Republicans at one time or another, I manage to offend over 95% of the population. Again, that's not my intent, it's just the nature of having to talk about financial topics. The actions of government affect all things financial, and you can't be thorough in examining financial matters without considering government impact. And government is primarily composed of the two parties mentioned above.

    I ask you to please don't take offense if your particular party is in the line of fire on any particular day. Believe me, there will be plenty of instances when the opposing party will be in my crosshairs.

    There are some good things within each party. And there are plenty of bad things within each party as well. I often talk about how those bad things will harm our wealth. Neither party has a monopoly on bad things. I simply want to deal with the bad in both parties to enhance our wealth and for the betterment of the country.

    I am not pro-Republican, nor am I pro-Democrat. I am pro-Constitution, pro-honesty, pro-personal freedom, pro-personal rights, pro-accountability, and many more.

    My goal is not to offend anyone. My goal is to cut through the BS and deal with reality. So please don't take offense. These are real issues that must be dealt with, and discussed.

    Now, yesterday Karl Denniger explained how the document that was released to the public was tampered with. A friend, who is a tech guy, also downloaded the document directly from the White House and confirmed that the document that was released to the public had been played with in Illustrator.

    He offered a simple explanation: What if someone on the White House IT team wanted to practice his Illustrator skills and simply grabbed the nearest document to practice on, which happened to be the birth certificate. Then, when the decision was made to release it to the public, the person who did so grabbed the copy that the other IT employee had been playing with.

    Maybe there is a genuine, un-altered birth certificate, and it was merely an accident that an altered copy was released to the public.

    Plausible. Not likely, but conceivably it could have happened as my tech guy proposed. Maybe releasing a birth certificate that had clearly been tampered with was just an accident.

    So I got to thinking and digging a little further. It is very important, especially in financial matters, to have an open mind and investigate without preconceived notions.

    I don't know where the President was born, nor do I have an opinion. I merely have a lot of questions, and I know that if he WASN'T born in the U.S. it could be a trigger to greatly amplify our current economic crisis.

    So let me point out a couple more things about the document that was released yesterday.

    The document lists the President's father's birthplace as Kenya. But Kenya didn't officially become Kenya until December 12, 1963. The President was born in 1961. Would his birth certificate list a country that wasn't officially a country? You can see the date that Kenya became a country in the right hand column in this Wikipedia entry:


    Before that date, the land was officially British East Africa Protectorate, or simply British East Africa:


    It was also referred to as Kenya Colony, or the Protectorate of Kenya:


    Was it referred to simply as "Kenya?" Yes, in this map of Africa from 1950:


    It is conceivable that Kenya was put on the birth certificate instead of the official "British East Africa Protectorate" or even "British East Africa." I would think at a minimum, it would say "Colony of Kenya," since that is how it was described in 1961.

    Simply putting Kenya is conceivable, but it does cause me to go: Hmmmmm.

    Now here's another issue with the document that is far more of a dilemma. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital". I find that INCREDIBLY odd.

    If you want to know more about that hospital, here is a page on its website that describes its background:


    Notice that Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital, which is the hospital in question that is listed on the President's birth certificate, didn't even exist in 1961. It didn't come into existence until 1978. Before then, there were two hospitals, Kauikeolani Children's Hospital and Kapi‘olani Maternity Home.

    The hospital's OWN WEBSITE says that those two hospitals merged in 1978 to become the one single hospital that is listed on the document the White House released as being the official birth certificate.

    How in the world, in 1961, could anyone have known that 17 years later, a merger between two hospitals was going to happen, and list the yet-to-be-formed hospital on the President's birth certificate?

    I don't have an answer to that, and I'm not sure that anyone does.

    The possible economic implications are just as monumental as the Constitutional ones.

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