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Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Conagher, Oct 28, 2008.

  1. Conagher

    Conagher Dark Custom Rider Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    ELECTION 2008
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    HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.

    The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of "It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information.

    Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.

    WND was told the official reason for denial of access to birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft.

    Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama.
    Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation," autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the amazing low price of just $4.95.

    The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth.

    The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the or from anyone acting officially on his behalf.

    WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the "Births, Deaths" section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: "Mr. and Mrs. II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4."

    In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed.

    The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.

    In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

    Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born" citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1.

    Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists.

    In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. on November 4.

    The Obama campaign website entitled "Fight the Smears" posts a state of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama reportedly was born.

    "Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America."

    Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess.


    xerxes Says:
    October 23, 2008 at 4:17 am

    After reviewing the Obominations ‘birth certificate’, i have the following problems with it.

    -date of birth is 1961, it appears to be typed on the certificate, yet the certificate says on the bottom left corner ‘Rev 11/01 LASER’. i don’t think it means nov. 1901. more like 2001, so it could not have been typed on this paper in 1961.

    -Perfect type, like a laser printer, and everything is perfectly aligned, like it was printed. personal computers and Word Perfect were not in existence in 1961. it would have to have been typed with a mechanical typewriter, and the letters would not be perfect and would not be perfectly aligned. my birth certificate is from 1981 and has these imperfections, why should one 20 years older be any better?

    -Where is the name and address of the hospital, or location of live birth if midwifed at home? mine has this info, why not this one?

    -My birth certificate does not ask for race of parents, but does ask state of birth (to establish nationality of parents). Nationality is necessary to establish citizenship, not race.

    -My birth certificate ask if birth was single or multiple, and number in a multiple birth. This is absent on Obamas. This document does not accurately document the birth.

    -My Birth Certificate has my mothers signature and date signed next to a statement that the document is true and accurate to the best of the signers knowledge, and a signature and date signed for the attending physician next to a statement that they attended the live birth and the document is true and accurate to the best of the signers knowledge. ALL OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS HAVE TO BE SIGNED, OBAMAS IS NOT!!!

    -There is a signature of the county registrar who filed the certificate on mine, where is it on Obamas?

    -Mine is an original copy of the original document, which is small and rectangular-meaning it is not typed on the copy paper. it is an actual certificate much like a traffic ticket in size. That is what is filled out and filed with the state office of vital records, and they copy it onto engraved paper and emboss it for you when you need an official copy.

    -My birth certificate ask for age of parents on date of birth, this is absent on Obamas.

    -there is a blacked out certificate number, but no county registrar number that would be needed for filling purposes. Certificates have a general number, much like a dry cleaning receipt, but the county or state would have a unique number for their records keeping. besides, this is a public record, so why black out the certificate number? If it REALLY exist, anyone could obtain an informational copy, so why blot out the certificate number?

  2. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer


    <dl><dt><center>[SIZE=+4]An Open Letter to
    Barack Obama[/SIZE]
    By John Wallace
    New York Campaign for Liberty
    11-2-8[/SIZE]</center> </dt><dt><center> </center> </dt><dt><center><table width="555" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td valign="top" width="100%"> <dl><dt>[SIZE=+1]I know you are busy running for President of the greatest country in the world, but there are a couple of things about your background and qualifications for the office that concern me and many of my fellow Americans. Never before has a Presidential candidate failed to fully disclose routine information about their background that might help the voters make an informed choice in an election. It seems that many records concerning your background have either be been sealed or are temporarily unavailable for review. I know that any honest person like yourself, who is running for the highest office in the land, would never overtly want to keep such information from public review.[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]Here's a partial list:[/SIZE] </dt><dt> </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]1. Occidental College records -- Not released[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]2. Columbia College records -- Not released[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]3. Columbia Thesis paper -- Not available, locked down by faculty[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]4. Harvard College records -- Not released, locked down by faculty[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]6. Medical records -- Not released[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]7. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released (sealed?)[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]8. Certified Copy of Certification of Live Birth -- Not released (sealed?)[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]9. Birth records from Kenya -- (Sealed by the government of Kenya until after Election Day)[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]10. Your record of Christian Baptism -- Not released or unavailable[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]11. Illinois State Senate schedule - 'Not available'[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]12. Illinois State Senate records - Destroyed[/SIZE] </dt><dt> </dt><dt> </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]I believe items #7,8 and 9 are the most critical and concern two issues that are very important to the American people:[/SIZE] </dt><dt> </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]1. Are Are you a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.? and[/SIZE] </dt><dt> </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]2. Are you legally qualified to hold the Office of President?[/SIZE] </dt><dt> </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]In a recent federal court case in Pennsylvania, an American citizen, Philip Berg, filed a lawsuit claiming you were not a natural born citizen of the United States and therefore not qualified to be President. During that case, you never denied Mr. Berg's claims, but neither did you provid a valid birth certificate or other proof that you are a natural born citizen of the United States and therefore qualified under the Constitution to be President. Rather, you hid behind technicalities in the law to avoid the issue and the federal judge hearing the case dismissed Mr. Berg's lawsuit stating that Mr. Berg, acting as a "citizen," did not have legal standing to make such a challenge. This is a prime example of another outrageous decision by a federal judge to deny the American people their rights clearly outlined in the constitution.[/SIZE] </dt><dt> </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]There have been lawsuits filed, or currently being filed, in 7 or 8 states with various state Boards of Elections, claiming you are ineligible to be on their ballots because you have not produced proof that you are a natural born citizen of the United States. Mr. Obama, if you are truly and honorable man and a "Natural Born Citizen of the United States" you can clear up this issue very quickly. Just produce a certified copy of your birth certificate in any one of the names you have been know by (Barack Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Obama, Barack Dunham and Barry Dunham).[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]Your avoidance of the issue and your subsequent failure to prove you are a "Natural Born Citizen of the United States" is very suspicious and raises a very important constitutional issue that must be addressed before the November 4th election. Stop using legal technicalities, record sealing and courtroom maneuvers to avoid the issue. The American people have every constitutional right to know and they will eventually find out.[/SIZE] </dt><dt> </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]Try using honesty and truthfulness for a change and put this issue to rest. Either prove that you are a "Natural Born Citizen of the U.S." and are legally qualified to hold the Office of President, or withdraw the race.[/SIZE] </dt><dt> </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]If you do not do one of the other, the American people, regardless of party affiliation, will surely stand up and kick you out.[/SIZE] </dt><dt> </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]John Wallace[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]New York Campaign for Liberty[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]http://www.nycampaignforliberty.com/[/SIZE] </dt><dt>[SIZE=+1]http://freedom-liberty-sovereignty.blogtownhall.com/2008/11/01/ open_letter_to_barack_obama_produce_yo[/SIZE]</dt></dl></td></tr></tbody></table></center></dt></dl>
  3. Conagher

    Conagher Dark Custom Rider Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I wonder if John Wallace will be visited by some feds in black suits this week?

    .........Good post Tango3..............[applaud]
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    what kind of integrity does a guy(obama) that would do this have???
  5. eeyore

    eeyore Monkey++

    I thought that #5 would keep him from holding a government job or position?

  6. SuperTico

    SuperTico Yawn !

    That's because " they" don't want you to know he B da illigitamated lub chile of Poppy Bush. Word up ![ROFL]
  7. SuperTico

    SuperTico Yawn !

    If I hear that " Greatest nation on earth" bolechit any more I'm gonna friggin puke.
    HERE is an article about a model nation.

    They Didn't Attack Switzerland
    by Bill Walker
    Switzerland has not been in a war of any kind since 1815. It has not been in an official foreign war since 1515. This would be astounding, even miraculous, for any nation. But Switzerland borders Germany . And France . And Italy . And Austria . And Liechtenstein . Now the Prince of Liechtenstein has rarely lashed out in Blitzkrieg in a desperate bid to reign uber alles, but ALL of Switzerland 's other neighbors have devoted a lot of effort to invading other countries.
    In addition to the encircling foreign marauders, Switzerland itself is composed of several different ethnic groups that get along as well as, e.g., Germans and French. But they haven’t ethnically cleansed each other for two centuries, either.
    You would think that peacekeeping performance of this kind would make Switzerland an object of study in every political science and civics course worldwide. "WHY Didn't They Attack Switzerland ?" should be the title of many a textbook. This is not the case. Very few political scientists study Switzerland .
    Switzerland is of no interest to politicians, because the features of the Swiss system that keep the peace are the same features that make Swiss politicians unimportant. Do you know the name of the Swiss President now serving out his nonrenewable one-year term? No, you do not (it’s Samuel Schmid, but you won’t remember tomorrow). His name doesn't matter, and he doesn't matter to the defense of Switzerland . There is no central location of Swiss defense, no Pentagon or NORAD into which you can crash a 757 or a black-market Kazakh nuclear weapon. The defense of Switzerland is the entire people of Switzerland itself.
    The features of the Swiss system for keeping the peace are simple. They mind their own business, and they have very strict gun control. By which they mean that every Swiss male must have a gun, except for those who have to carry a mortar or missile launcher. Females are not subject to universal military training, but if you go to a Swiss rifle range, there are always girls blasting away too. After 9-11, the Swiss told passengers to carry their bayonets onto their airliners . . . somewhat different from the US response of panicked victim-disarmament. (You are aware that 99% of US pilots are STILL disarmed?)
    As a final defense, the Swiss have rigged the vaults of their banks for demolition. Any dictator attacking Switzerland will find the gold in his numbered bank account buried in rubble hundreds of meters under a mountain. It is known that Hitler had a numbered account.
    Switzerland has also provided for defense of the lives of its civilian population against nuclear terrorism. Realizing after World War Two that nuclear weapons in the hands of power-mad idiots posed a public health threat, the Swiss started a nationwide shelter-building program in 1960. By 1991, there was enough shelter space in Switzerland to protect everyone in their home or apartment, and also enough at their workplace and school. A Swiss citizen is generally never more than a few minutes from a fallout shelter with an air filter.
    The entire Swiss shelter program was accomplished for somewhere on the order of $35 (1990 dollars) per year per capita. The US spends vastly more every year to achieve a military only capable of intervening in Third World nations that don’t have WMDs. The combined US armed forces are incapable of shooting down a single ballistic missile, or even intercepting low-flying propeller planes. Nor are there bunkers with filtered air supplies for the inhabitants of our glass cities or crackerbox suburbs. The only civil defense in the US is for the President and the bureaucrats under Iron Mountain . Everyone else is nuclear fodder, except for those provident few (such as the Mormons) who build their own shelters to protect their families.
    Switzerland does not send troops to intervene in other nations. Switzerland does not spend tens of billions of dollars yearly to fund dictators around the world, nor did Switzerland donate hundreds of billions of dollars to the Warsaw Pact through bank "loans." Switzerland does not send billions of dollars worth of weaponry every year to the warring tribes in the Middle East . Switzerland has no enemies. Yet the Swiss are armed to the teeth and dug into every hill and under every building.
    US policy is the evil-parallel-universe inverse of the Swiss. The US intervenes everywhere, spies on everyone, supports every faction in every dispute. We have as many enemies as there are disputatious people in the world. Yet we spend more effort on disarming our own airline pilots and other law-abiding citizens than on providing shelters for our children against nuclear, chemical, or biological attack. We have an expensive conventional army, and quite a few aging offensive nuclear weapons. But no defense for our children.
    But Who Would Attack Us? We’re Such Nice Guys…
    What groups might think to benefit from a WMD strike on the US ? A partial list:
    1. The US kleptocracy, which has reaped such vast increases in power from terrorism and war. “War is the health of the State,” and terrorism drives citizen support for war.
    2. Angry relatives of the thousands of victims of “Shock and Awe.”
    3. Fundamentalist Muslim politicians.
    4. Fundamentalist Israeli politicians.
    5. Every emerging power on Earth. The more the US sinks into the Mideast quagmire, the more chance for new powers to rise to dominance.
    6. Citizens of nations ruled by US-backed dictators and oligarchs, who are victims of our Aid To Dependent Dictators programs.
    7. FOX News, always looking for higher ratings.
    This would have been more concise if I had listed the groups that would NOT benefit from anonymous WMD attacks on the US , to wit, the world’s libertarians, capitalists, and peace lovers of all stripes. Unfortunately, the “non-aggression principle” won’t prevent anyone from being killed by terrorism and/or anti-terrorism. So, we must all determine the best risk management strategies within our budgets.
    The Likely Attacks
    There are two basic categories of attacks. One type is the Jerry Bruckheimer Movie attack, typified by 9-11. Spectacular attacks that kill only a few thousand people are great for raising the Homeland Security budget, but they don’t raise the individual’s risk level that much. For most people, it would be more worthwhile to put some effort into avoiding heart disease and cancer than to try to avoid random, low-level terrorism. However, it is prudent to avoid targets with high cinematic value, like the Statue of Liberty, the Golden Gate Bridge , Arnold Schwarzenegger, etc.
    The second category of attack is the “anonymous warfare” strike, intended to seriously damage the US . While it might be hard for a minor power to inflict crippling physical damage on the US , anonymous attacks can rely on a high “Homeland Security Multiplier Effect.” For every dollar of damage done by the 9-11 attack, post-attack “security” measures have done ten more. And a nuclear attack would make the post-9-11 hysteria look orderly and rational by comparison. One anonymous strike could paralyze the US for decades.
    Such an anonymous attack might be nuclear, using the leftover weapons from the Cold War that are available in various backwater marketplaces:
    Or budget terrorism could be launched with poison gas, germs, or even conventional explosives planted in vulnerable areas such as dams, gasoline storage tanks, chemical transport trains, etc. etc. etc.
    US: Strictly DIY Civil Defense
    One might think that a Homeland Security budget of over $40 billion would provide a little bit of protection for US citizens. Governments are never efficient, but some of them at least spend some tax money on its putative purpose. Swiss, Israeli, and many other nations’ civil defense programs distribute gas masks, radiation meters, financial aid for constructing shelters, etc. However, US Homeland security has provided us with: free advice from Tom Ridge . According to Tom, all a US citizen needs for protection against WMD is some duct tape and enough food for three days. Personally, I don’t think that this advice, even in full-page ads, was worth $40 billion. In any case, American families will receive no help from Homeland Security’s new director, either. US civil defense is strictly DIY.
    Balancing Risk
    A DIY civil defense program is limited by the fact that the majority of our discretionary income has already been allocated to other uses by federal, state, and local tax authorities. Most of us can’t afford to protect our families and ourselves properly, because that money is in Iraq and a hundred other foreign-aid regimes.
    Still, most of us can do better than duct tape. Contrary to media “wisdom,” one or even a thousand nuclear bombs won’t kill everyone. Nuclear fallout radiation intensity falls by a factor of a thousand over two weeks, so if you can hide in a well-stocked basement with a crude air filter for that long, you would probably survive . . . IF you knew what you were doing and had made some preparations. Germs and gas have their own limitations, and terrorists probably won’t have the biggest and best of anything. Of course the terrorists still have an advantage, because most Americans aren’t even up to Tom Ridge ’s suggested level of preparation.
    There are several elements of civil defense:
    Threat warning
    Protective gear
    Protective construction
    Location, Location, Location
    The best location is: not in the US . If your work can be done in Costa Rica[booze] , Switzerland , or some other nation that hasn’t attacked anyone for decades, you could move. Unfortunately, most of us have sentimental or economic ties to US target zones.
    Within the US : if you live downstream from one of those high dams in California , just stop reading this and get in the car. What were you thinking anyway?
    Other places require trade-offs; small towns are safer in most scenarios, but may not have lucrative jobs. If you live in a smaller city, you’re likely to get some warning of fallout or disease outbreak. The safest locations are rural, but not everyone can afford to live well in the country. The general rule is to avoid large cities if you can, and especially Washington , DC and New York . These cities are self-terrorizing anyway, between the draconian victim disarmament laws and the crime.
    Threat Warning
    9-11 was our warning. Homeland Security has given us hundreds of useless “warnings” since then, but it would be sheer coincidence if any of these actually preceded an attack. The “Emergency Broadcasting System” isn’t going to know about a terrorist nuclear attack until after they see it on CNN. Warnings of biological threats may be subtler; sudden outbreaks of “flu-like” symptoms in odd patterns might be signs of biowarfare . . . or they might be signs of flu, which might kill you anyway since the FDA seems to be protecting us very efficiently from flu vaccine. Again, the best way to have warning is not to be in the immediate target area.
    Protective Gear
    Minimum: A small water and food stockpile (if you don’t have to leave your house for a month, you’ll make it through plague or fallout a lot more easily).
    A HEPA filter in the living room would make Tom Ridge ’s “seal up your bedroom with duct tape” idea work much better . . . as long as the power stayed on. Ideally, you should be able to seal up your house and use a hand-cranked blower to provide filtered air, but now we’re getting into the “protective construction” area.
    Cheap insurance would include a gas mask in car, and potassium iodide pills to give some protection against fallout (they also help against nuclear-power accidents, unlikely as those might be). Antibiotics are potentially useful but more expensive and perishable. A firearm (and some practice in its use) is a prudent investment for most people anyway, but is even more important in a scenario when you can’t afford to be looted or carjacked. A high-rate radiation meter doesn’t cost very much, and makes a great coffee-table decoration:
    And yes, some duct tape is always a good thing (those two weeks in the fallout shelter might get boring otherwise).
    Protective Construction
    Optimally, everyone desiring to opt out of the ill effects of war and terrorism could live in a concrete dome, such as those produced by the good folks of Italy , Texas .
    100 psi blast waves just slide off a concrete dome (especially if it’s partially buried), as do tornadoes, hurricanes, drive-by shootings, and blast waves from asteroid impacts. Other forms of underground (or hillside, like Bilbo Baggins’) construction can also be inherently attack-resistant. Anyone who is living in a probable target city for economic reasons should at least consider hobbit-style construction instead of Styrofoam and 2 x 4s . . . of course local building codes often practically forbid underground construction.
    If you have a basement, only relatively little work is needed to make it into an effective fallout shelter. Terrorist bombs might well be more on the scale of 15-kiloton Hiroshima-killers than the 25-megaton Cold War monsters. A 15-kiloton bomb from an old tactical artillery shell or rocket warhead would have a lethal blast radius much smaller than even a small US city, but fallout could be lethal for 20 miles or more downwind.
    The basement is usually easier to seal against chemicals and germs, too. Just remember that Swiss basements have hand-cranked filtered air blowers; if you succeed in sealing up a basement tight enough to keep out VX aerosols, you’re going to need an air supply. Don’t forget to invite Tom Ridge along to crank it for you; he’s not busy changing threat level colors anymore.
    The whole subject of Civil Defense is about preparing for the failure of the normal system of economic specialization. But the more normal social ties that we can preserve, the more effective protective measures can be and the quicker civil society can recover. On a personal level, if all of your friends believe that “the best thing to do in a nuclear attack is go outside and die quickly,” then you should probably try to add a few acquaintances of a more practical bent.
    The Swiss have avoided war for 200 years by being mentally and physically prepared for it. Even if Switzerland were attacked by nuclear terrorists, their mental preparation (and their courage, another essential commodity that Americans have failed to stockpile) would save them from hysterically scrapping their Constitution and civil liberties.
    We Americans have been at war throughout most of the same decades that Switzerland has been at peace. Now that America has mutated from Republic to Empire, we are at perpetual war with every nation that wants to be independent of the whims of the POTUS. At the very least, we must all recognize the fact, and be prepared for the shocks to come. Civil society can recover from a lot of destruction; it can’t recover from cowardice and refusal to prepare for trouble until chaos is already upon us.
  8. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    Thought I'd share what I found:

    <center> <table style="border: 1px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); width: 450px; height: 101px;" border="0" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr valign="top" align="left"> <td class="fwf" bgcolor="#ffffcc">Why is there no mandated legal requirement for candidates to prove they are qualified to be president prior to nominating procedures?</td></tr></tbody></table></center> The Constitution lays out the qualifications for President but doesn't seem to actually require any one to check up on them before hand! Congress can challenge the electoral votes of any candidate, but that is only after election day. The courts would appear to be the best avenue to go before an election, but judges are going to be reluctant to intervene in all but the most extreme cases. The parties themselves are the best place to ensure their candidates qualify, as they won't want to waste the time and money on a candidate who may later be disqualified. But they may not have a very open process and they won't necessarily have the best interests of the people in mind. The media should take a look at this issue were it to arise but with even the press becoming more partisan and each outlet seemingly taking sides for and against candidates they might not be that trusted by the populace anymore.

    So basically we almost have to count on the honesty of the politicians themselves. Scary, huh?
  9. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    ever wonder what they have to gain by electing a non citizen?
  10. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    the hair trigger ability to push this country over onto its big round booty( any day they desire)..I'll bet the Hildebeast has a kenyan certified copy under her pillow too.
    'Course he could be the walking living anti-christ of the new testament...( birth certificate marked spawn:"seventh level of hell, Mother: Hilary rodham, father: be'elzebub)...[​IMG]
  11. mrrk1562

    mrrk1562 Monkey+++

    if any one of us tried this crap ..we'ed be thrown in jail.. for contemp of court .... dont give them an ssi number ..which they have no right too .. as per my ssi card ..which sez this card belongs to the ssi admistration and can not be used for id at all ..it belongs to them and its only for ssi use .. and nothing more .. that was back in the 80's when i got card from ssi .. it cant be used for id at all ..at least the card i signed for sez ..my card barly sez this any more and i dont carry this around any more ,,it 's funny when we want to get a job we have to have all of this stuff ..just to get a freeking job .. ronny reagon had this pasted in the 80's so why cant he show where he was bourn .. we have too on a daily bacis when we apply for a job ..
  12. Ready

    Ready or getting there...

    Tango, you've got the father correct. But dont foget the mother was Rosemary. ie.. he's Rosemary's baby.
  13. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I was looking for a thread to post this in. It concerns zero's birth place but also his muslim ties. It's interesting that his own Kenyan grandmother claims she witnessed his birth in Kenya.(highlights mine)

    4- Obama's Mama's Hajj
    The lamestream media told you:
    Islam, the religion of peace, is doing so little these days there is no need to mention them, associate their religion with the word terror, or put them in the news for almost any reason at all. There's no problem with DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano deciding to call extremist Muslim terrorism "man-caused disasters," she's merely using "nuance" to avoid offending jihadis. Even the "man" part doesn't offend anything.

    According to Richard Engel, the chief foreign correspondent for NBC-TV, speaking on national TV, "people in the Middle East consider Obama a Muslim." [Note: I witnessed it with my own eyes and ears but cannot find a link for you, please send me one if you have it.]

    Obama himself is believed to consider himself a Christian, and his campaign has repeatedly made this claim, although he hasn't attended church since taking the presidency. FOX News reported the anomaly, which is unreported elsewhere http://tinyurl.com/cgqet8.

    According to the usually reliable LA Times, Mr. Obama has decided to not celebrate the National Day of Prayer in the White House this year, a tradition in place since Harry Truman held the office.
    http://tinyurl.com/cuwmxv The Times, with typical opprobrium, notes that "religion was a core tenet of Republican politics," and quotes an Obama spokesmanwoman that, "I think the president understands, in his own life and in his family's life, the role that prayer plays." He thinks.
    The Times goes on to say that, "Obama has shown an unusual sensitivity toward atheists, the first president to mention non-believers in an inaugural address."

    The Uninvited Ombudsman notes however that:
    Engel's comment about Obama being seen as a Muslim in Muslim countries got no news coverage to speak of. If it did, the whole issue of Obama's faith, if any, would be called into question, a topic the media has avoided like a third rail. (Can't say "avoided like a plague," because they're all over the swine non-pandemic.)
    In other news, missing from lamestream news, Obama's grandmother Mama Sara Obama (on his black Kenyan father's side), has decided to go on hajj.
    This is the Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca, required at least once in a lifetime from all Muslims. She plans to go with her son, Syeed Obama. http://tinyurl.com/d25fnt

    According to Muslim law, as told in the Koran, any person born to a Muslim father is a Muslim for life. Renouncing the faith is apostasy, punishable by death. Anyone who has a chance to carry out the sentence but does not, or interferes with carrying out the sentence, is also punishable by death.

    Sara Obama, who was flown from her tiny home town of Kogelo near Uganda to Washington, D.C. for her grandson's inauguration, is the woman who asserted that she witnessed her grandson's birth in Mombasa, Kenya. If true, this would make him ineligible to be president. The president has so far refused to show a birth certificate to clear up the lingering doubts. It was unclear at press time why he has so adamantly refused.

    If proven to be true, the ineligibility would create a constitutional crisis of unimagined proportions, aside from possibly inevitable racial-tainted riots. For one thing, the vice president might not be qualified to assume the presidency, having taken office under erroneous circumstances (voting is for the president, not the vice president, who ascends to office on the winner's coattails). That would leave Nancy Pelosi the next in line. It would also invalidate all acts signed by Mr. Obama. It was unclear at press time how bailout and buyout refunds would be made.

    Some experts have also questioned Obama's race, since his mother was a white woman, making him not a black but a mulatto, a word now used even less frequently than the now discredited "terrorist" and "Muslim extremist." Media experts say the word changes are not Orwellian revisionism, thought control, or word control ("you can't think of a thing that has no word"), it is merely sensitivity.
  14. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Welcome to the New World.
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