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Pretty sobering...China can damage US power grid

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by IrishMonk, Nov 20, 2014.

  1. IrishMonk

    IrishMonk Monkey+

  2. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Not an issue if you have Backup Generation & Power.... or if you are Off-Grid, like me....
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  3. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Maybe not directly, but indirectly it would effect even you, as it would affect those who supply you. And while you would ride it out better than most, it would hit inner cities (with just in time supplies) very hard.
  4. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Couldn't happen to a NICER Bunch of Folks....
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  5. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Snowball effect. As it effects them, then it effects us, as they move to fill their needs by trying to take our's.
    Prepare to repel boarders!.....
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  6. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    We can put each other in the dark or make each other glow..... they both sound so fantastic.....[sarc1]
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  7. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    So, disconnect the grid from the friggin' internet!! DUH!!!!!!!!!!
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  8. tedrow42

    tedrow42 Monkey+

    Then ppl would need to check the system manualy instead of from a computer and we just cant have that!
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  9. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    Hey! Where's the [sarc2] alert! biglaff
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  10. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    You would be surprised how integrated the power grid is to the internet through SCADA and assorted systems. With energy being routed through the grid/system from all sources (hydro/coal/solar/ect) there has to be a higher level of management, especially to control peak flow to heavy areas such as cities, as well as re-routing of circuits due to outages.... and that is the Achilles heel. :(
  11. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    Ha! The power grid is the least of our worries. The Air Traffic Control system is just as vulnerable, as is the banking industry and the stock market. Either directly or indirectly, all systems can be breached through the internet. One computer connected to an Intranet, and the Internet concurrently provides a path for cyber attack.
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  12. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    I disagree only in the fact that if we loose power.... we loose all the other services at the same time.... caveman time in our day and age for sure. And with real time delivery of food, gas and so on.... the masses are going to get hungry & angry really quick :rolleyes:
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  13. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    Most services will function as long as there is fuel for the standby generator systems. All Air Traffic Systems are backed up with power conditioning systems and diesel or gas generators, some with Solar. Telephone systems with battery arrays and generators. Most ISP's have standby power systems, but as you say.... only for a limited time.
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  14. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    The least of my favorites when it comes to internet hacking and downing of infrastructure is loss of power nationally.....
    Most gas stations do not have generator back up.... and all of our food distribution works via transport....
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  15. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    But, no refrigeration, no street lights, and no water, power or sewer in some areas. No traffic signals, no commerce, and it wouldn't take long before the food riots started. People would be stealing big screen TVs that they could not watch... etc. Oh, I forgot..

  16. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey Site Supporter++

    The US power grid has been vulnerable for a very long time. I did a security assessment for Kansas City Power and Light in the late 90's. KCP&L by the way has control of the entire SE electrical grid, and the control/war room they use to monitor it has been used in several movies. It would still be impressive today. At that time the engineering was very good, but they had completely ignored security and I was easily able to tell them their access passwords for most of their devices.

    BTW, this was prompted by an investigation by the government where they hired hackers to break into the power system staging a mock terror attack. I read the report and every single grid was compromised during the test.
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  17. tekdoggy

    tekdoggy Monkey

    I would love not to depend on the grid, but I just don't have the money to get there now, and probably never will.
    Even if I could, I live in a 2 story wood frame house in a subdivision, there is no way to fortify my home to keep intruders out, should I be the only house around with power.

    So until I can move to a more remote, easier to secure location, I focus on food/water/heat/security and supplies to get us by at our current house, that we can fairly easily load into our trailers and move if necessary.

    Such is life.
  18. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Tek, I live in a similar circumstance and I will say that there are many ways to fortify your home....research and you will find much to enhance your domiciles safety level from intrusion. There are many threads discussing just this issue, covering things such as door reinforcement methods, pre-cutting plywood for window covering, sandbag uses and so on.

    I agree, that in a subdivision, it is hard to hide the power generation ability you have....but the same could be said about the means to provide fresh water with rain catchment, cooking and so on (Opsec everyday). In a short term basis, many others may have back up power and you will blend in with them. But in the long term outage, you have to be very more concerned about your opsec and hiding your capability be it power, food, water and so on... think defensive (you are going to need a good defensive until you are ready/forced to move out due to circumstances). If others determine you are doing well...they may want what you have. Solar helps dramatically in the area of quite power, if you can hide your panels from casual view... just a thought. Anyways, think about the reinforcement of your home.... you have options and time right now to do the best you can.... get to work. :)
  19. the US contributes more to the Chinese economy than all the other nations combined x2. China may have the ability to do all sorts of things and they have always been a nation who believes that knowledge is power- BUT, they are not likely to ever intentionally harm the USA. All that being said, its not a bad idea to be able to function normally for 30 days or more without elec. I did pretty well when the tornadoes of 2011 knocked out our grid for more than 10 days but I realized that I needed more in the way of fuel for our vehicles and a better stock of AA batteries. The biggest surprise was how disorderly some segments of the population became in such a short period of time. Local Gov enacted a dusk till dawn curfew which helped alot but still there were pockets of looting and violence. This was just 10-11 days.. I would really hate to see a substantial disruption in utilities.
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2014
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  20. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    I agree. They may know how but they won't. They hold our debt, thus if we go down so do they. I just heard a talk on the radio about this. The reports keep saying China can do it but what is stop our gov't from doing it (control) and blaming it on the Chinese?

    You may choose to put on your tinfoil hat but it does make one think-

    Last edited: Nov 23, 2014
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