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Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by HKchef, Oct 15, 2012.


  1. HKchef

    HKchef Monkey

    Hi all, long time lurker first time poster,
    i live in a unique situation and area, that could uses some guidance from some people with more e.
    xperience.
    I live in the "burbs" of Hong Kong" its actually a village outside a city of 100k.
    i've been prepping for a while now, i lived in Japan for 12 years prior to moving here 7years ago and thats what you do ther. You never know when something will happen.
    Now hong kong is not a civilized as japan, if something happens firat rhing is panic and buy. after the tsunami in japan table salt was sold out over here for months. they thought it would stop radiation poisoning.. that is another bit of comedy gold for later.
    i have my food stocks and water stocks for a few months of buggin in and a location in the mountains behind my house with a stash of food and camping supplies. guns are illegal and expensive to procure and have.
    now when the poo starts flying i give it 3 days before the morons here start eating each other.
    My plan is to bug in and hide for a few weeks with the wife n kid. or run n hide to the hills.
    how do you prepare for hiding in such a conjested area?
    our house is secure,can chain and lock all access in and out, we have a corner lot by the hills, easier to defend than a typical apartment.
    i wont go into more details now this is long enough
    thanks for any and all advice
    J
     
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Prepare to fight fires. After seeing how jammed up HK is, it will spread rapidly, even in the 'burbs. If you are a commuter, you'll need to plan on an escape from downtown.
     
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  3. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Tattoo recipes on your body, you're screwed. The power grid will likely vanish first, are you prepared to deal with food preparations with no electricity? Cooking smells draw people, hungry people...Looters come in all sizes and shapes...what defensive measures can you take? What types of improvised weapons can you put in place? That Sumo wrestler with the midget girlfriend ain't gonna want to share your cheeseburger, he wants it all. Invisible works best in a crowd but just milling about in the horde won't save you. Survival in a catastrophe is a roll of the dice to begin with; a certain percentage will survive almost every event and, as much as we all like to think we are prepared, think ant mound and a kid with a jelly jar of gasoline. Bug-in is probably your second best option, at least until it becomes unbearable. I'd be planning a sure fire way to get the hell somewhere else.
     
  4. HKchef

    HKchef Monkey

    this is why i came here! never thought of fires besides my own house and our neighbors. been thinking of maybe a gravity feed for water from out rooftop or even a pump from the small pool behind the house but that wont last long.
    getting home is my main issue, i live on the mainland side but work on the island, traffic can stop very fast but as i have no car and rely on public transport it can get bad fast!
    would have to hoof it or steal a bike n ride home, my wife knows to get home and lock up and wait until i get home.
    the other plan is to get out of country before it gets flakey and head to the states where im from and get to my parents property in the country. living there is a lot easier than here in a crisis. But you cant plan for everything or the all of a sudden unexpected.
     
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  5. RightHand

    RightHand Pioneer in a New World Moderator Founding Member

    We have a member who was living in Japan during the tsunami and Fukushima crisis. His wife was almost ready to deliver their child and they almost didn't get out. It's safer to "wait and see what happens" once you get to this side of the world.
     
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  6. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Stow a small inflatable boat in the office. Or maybe a "personal flotation device" that can hold you up while swimming with a dry bundle of clothes. Dunno how long the swim would be, but probably faster than trying to walk over.
     
  7. HKchef

    HKchef Monkey

    getting across the harbor is a pretty easy swim half a mile, if you dont get nailed by the freighters. tunnels with no power could be a different story.
    Anyone ever read The Stand by Steven King? When Larry is trying to escape NYC? That is what im thinking of what it might be like to get out of the island side.
    so much to think and plan and prepare it never stops does it?
     
  8. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    perhaps a folding or collapsible boat or kayak / canoe might be better than an inflatable boat....





    http://www.porta-bote.com/index.php
     
  9. JABECmfg

    JABECmfg multi-useless Site Supporter

    I know it won't be as comfy, but in an environment like yours I'd feel safer with a life jacket than a boat. Why? Because everyone who sees your boat is going to want a ride back to the mainland. Better to have a life jacket keeping you afloat, than an overcrowded boat that sinks and keeps no one afloat, with all the people who can't swim trying frantically to climb on top of you and eventually dragging you down with them.
     
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  10. HKchef

    HKchef Monkey

    i think getting across the harbor if i have to shouldnt be a problem, barring a typhoon it shouldnt be to difficult. i have 3 different tunnels plus mtr tunnels and i could swim or beg borrow steal a boat to get across. my main goal is to get home.
    after i get home is it lock up and eat cold food TIL everyone kills each other off or get our stuff n head for the hills and camp for a few weeks?
     
  11. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    Keep a finger on thye pulse of the city and be ready to bug out instead of in if your gut starts warning you.... fires will leap buildings in a croweded city/suburb and you may have to run in a panicked crowd if you wait too long....
     
  12. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    If you are a chef in HK, can you also be a chef in the USA? I would emigrate. Having done some business in China, in a severe economic situation, the iron fist will re-emerge and now that HK is technically mainland china, I fear the ghosts if the past will quickly resurface. Right now cronyism is making the government class wealthy. They won't want to give up their power. And don't think they don't have an exit plan, too. The smart ones are squirreling away, having children start Chinese companies around the world and diversifying their asset risks.

    Population per square mile for Hong Kong Island, 47,000
    Population per square mile for Hong Kong: 16,500
    Population per square mile for NYC: 27,000
    Population per square mile for my State in the US: 16

    Just for comparison, I postd the above.
     
  13. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    The pulse of the city is going to be one of your biggest tools in a situation like yours. I have been setting my family and I up for years as not to find us in that very situation. I've made the choice to be where we are now if the lights go out.We went rural living and stayed clear of the City life.
     
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  14. HKchef

    HKchef Monkey

    moving back to the states is a tough one, expensive to begin with. i would like to but my wife and i have a lot of our ties here. Also, the economy in the US is not that great, i would end up working in another city and close to the same situation. Decent livable salary in the state im from is another.Whats the unemployment in Michigan? i have the funds put aside and a walk away credit card just in case we need to leave tomorrow. but at the end of the day we would be refugees just like everyone else.
    Im just looking for a fighting chance.
     
  15. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    One of the most difficult decisions to make as things are changing in an area is to leave.

    For me, economic survival dictated that I move 3 time zones from my settled home and ties. We got out early and have spent the past 5 years starting over. I think most people wait too long or wait for things to get better while they get worse to the point of not being able to get out. 'know when to fold em'

    I understand concerns of coming back to the US but remember that this is a global economic situation and not too many places are doing well economically. If not the states, maybe think about the human congestion of your area and makes some plans to either move away from the crowd or learn to fight when you need to.
     
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  16. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Unemployment in Michigan, let me see ... Little over 10 percent official stats. Really depends on the area of Michigan and Job Field you are interested in.

    Unofficial that includes Under employed or those that stopped looking for work and are not on the welfare system is around 22 percent. Some areas like Flint, Detroit, Saginaw, and some northern areas of the state are over 35 percent.

    So, this might not be a great place to live.
     
  17. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    I'm curious as why immigrants tend to flock to the michigan area from overseas?
     
  18. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    They like the "Cool Climate" when compared to the places they come from......
     
  19. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    LOL, that's easy! It's the only place in the states where you can use your hand to show people where you live. Point at your thumb and say. I live Right there. :D
     
  20. RightHand

    RightHand Pioneer in a New World Moderator Founding Member

    I think it the black flies and the trout in July.
     
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