sacrificed at the PC alter

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by CATO, Aug 3, 2011.

  1. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    This really ticks me off. If you (rhetorical) don't think there are enough minorities in comics/cartoons, then make a new one up. The Avengers have a member from Africa. But, don't change the icons that should be timeless.

    In the past Justice League cartoons, the Green Lantern was now suddenly black. In the Cat In The Hat kids cartoon, Dick has been replaced with Nick, a black kid. <sigh>

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  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Gad, and the comments!! Change an iconic symbol for PC reasons? I wonder how many different colors we can paint the face of the Statue of Liberty. Weekly changes to satisfy all might be done.


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  3. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    I didn't read the comments section...good grief...that makes it worse. I didn't know Batman had ethnic Batpeople on each continent.

    Honestly, though, I would like to see Jewish Batman putting the smackdown on Palestinian rock-throwers.
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  4. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    We need an atheist comic book hero to sort out the theists!

    Then of course...the Palestinian Batman can send off all those Bronx Jewish Settlers squatting on land stolen from West Bank Palestinians....and maybe an atheist Batman can knock a few Jerusalem theist heads together whenever trouble errupts between the monks at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre....hmmm the possibilities of PC comic super heroes are endless.
  5. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    Heaven help you if the Abos get their 'Batman' into the mix........

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  6. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    What are you, a member of hamas?
  7. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    The Australian Aborigines have real heroes. No Batman needed

    Why do you say that, Sea??? The indigines Australians have no need of a two dimensional comic book hero to defend their interests against "white fella" opression. They had a real true to life hero callled Edie Mabo, who by long and persistent legal and political campaigning, won an Australian High Court Decision that overturned the "white fella" bogus legal concept of "Terra Nullius", thereby enabling claims by aborigines for native title of lands that they have traditionally been the custodions of. Eddie Mabo has passed away, but others of his tribe...and peoples have carried on his legacy...none need a cape and a mask to do their work effectively.

    Having an aboriginal version of Batman in a Batmobile, biffing racist bogans would be somewhat...... underwhelming... and....beneath their dignity as a people.

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    Why are you suggesting that Ugrev???

    Is being labelled a member of Hamas the default position of anyone critical of the theft of real property from Palestinians / Jordanians by Johnny come lately Jewish "Settlers" from the USA and other countries around the world (Australian Shlomos included) ???

    (Edit) The tit for tat battles between dispossesors and the dispossessed does little for stability in the Levant...pretty much a continuation of the Jews vs the rest started some several thousands of years ago, when the Jews claimed that God was THEIR man...and that the Israelites could do no wrong. Seems strange that things don't change much there, other than than that instead of spears and swords, current day Israelites now have Uzis and Galils, and the Palestinians have AKMs / AK47s and RPG7s.

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  8. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    That you think it's theft is hilarious. That's all I'm going to say on this subject. I've got better things to do than to argue with a jew hater.
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  9. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    I think it would be a safe bet to say that if Israel were 1 mile square, you would still have Palestinians throwing rocks. They, and much of the whole area, will not be happy unless the state of Israel is gone from the land.

    Another safe bet is that if it were not for Caucasoid "oppression," we would all still be throwing rocks and bowing to a king/monarchy. As for me, I like refrigeration - A/C, running water/sewage, and combustion engines.
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  10. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    There's no accounting for what some people find amusing...

    ...But that what you find hilarious, says much more about you, than it does about me.

    Oh little you know a jew hater??? Pffft.

    I have had to put up with my own father's anti semitism most of my life....arguing that Hitler and his gang were murdering thugs and criminals; That their culpability in prosecuting the holocaust against the Jews, The Romany, Homosexuals and Jehovas Witnesses, et al, was absolutely immoral, and an incredible crime against humanity. My dad was having one of his "Hitler was right in killing the jews...kill the jews...kill ALL of them" rants, when I pointed out to him that were Hitler's holocaust and racial purity laws, policies and anti semitic practices in effect (At the time of our "discussion") that his own grandchildren, all three of my sons and his nephew and niece....would most likely have ended up at a concentration camp (if indeed they even made it that far without being summarily executed) and would most likely have died after a period of starvation and abuse.. ending up the chimney of one of the camp crematoria. He shut up immediately...and has NEVER mentioned exterminating jews ever since.... at least not in my presence.

    One of my Uncles, who has since passed on...was a Jewish emigre from Egypt who fled his home country, when Nasser and his gang overthrew King Farrouk. My Uncle, a kind , generous, gentle man, I admired and respected very much...he eventually rose to the position of Professor of Economics, and at various times held positions in the IMF, such was his standing in the international community of economics policy makers and advisors. A man I respected greatly, as much for his humanity as for his intellect.

    My inlaws...both in their mid 90's....whom I love dearly....are secular Jews...My father inlaw acted as an interpreter and translator during the Nuremburg warcrimes trials...for some of the "lesser" war crimminals, after which he worked as a member of the British Control Commision as a commander of a Displaced Persons Camp until emigrating to Australia. My mother-inlaw worked in an underground resistance newspaper in Germany until the late 1930's when they both fled to Britain via Italy..he was lucky in having British citizenship via his mother. They are both still alive, and though frail are doing as well as any folk can their age. I have a greater affection for them than I have for my own parents.

    My grand children have been baptised into the Catholic Church, as innocents sheep dipped in a font of holy water. Although they may have been involuntarily branded as catholics...I feel it my an appropriate time in their development, to explain to them that they also have a Judaic heritage that is an integral part of them, and a heritage, much of which, they can be justly proud of. I would be remiss in their education if I did not explain, that like most cultures on this planet... the Judaic tradition too has a darker side...that cannot be denied, nor swept under the carpet. I would invite them to examine the evidence for the good and bad aspects of their respective antecedents culture.

    No...I am not a jew hater, nor am I an arab lover....but I have no great regard for those who would bully, cheat and rob people under the justification of their theistic beliefs, regardless of whether they are of Judaic, Muslim, Christian or any other faith position.

    Yep...label me a member of Hamas...a jew hater....whatever works for just shows that you really have no answer to the issues that I have posed in this thread. Yep...silence your opponents by accusing them of being terrorists or works well for the illegal settlers too.
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  11. dystopia

    dystopia Monkey+

    Chelloveck, what is your position on Israel as a nation. Should it be absolved and return to the pre 1948 situation. What would you see as the solution to the current Israeli/ Palestinian situation. I ask this not to argue but to understand.
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  12. IceNiner

    IceNiner Monkey+

    Really, with all the seriously bad incidents happening in the world and in the US, you let something like different raced superheros 'tick you off'? As for the Green Lantern, if you really were a long time reader or fan of comics, you would know that there are many Green Lanterns in their storyline, the Hal Jordan character is not the original title holder to that mantle (before him its an alien in a long line of aliens) and as time goes on different humans eventually get the ring, the title and its powers to fight for good. If it burns you up so much that a black man or a person of any other racial makeup eventually gets the Green Lantern or any other superhero title it shows that you have some serious issues.

  13. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    You're right, I have serious issues, however, sanctimony is not one of them:

    Perhaps I should have said "this aggravates me." Your displeasure at my post wouldn't have anything to do with your race would it? My aggravation had nothing to do with blacks, it had to do with political correctness gone awry in this country, regardless of the race or sexual affiliation of the new super-hero.

    Ultimately, however, I agree with you...this is a small thing compared some of the other things going on...and THAT is why I posted it in the 'Clucking Hens' forum (whatever that forum stands for).
  14. Catullus

    Catullus Monkey+++

    I think that we can safely say that Spider-Man is NOT going to save us from what is coming regardless of his race.

    However, I don't see why they have to change Spider-Man. Why not make a new character. If people are truly interested in a mixed race superhero they will buy the comic. IMHO
  15. IceNiner

    IceNiner Monkey+

    I have not made any statements about my race or my education in this or that thread so I don't see how this is sanctimony. I am an American who is of various ancestries, Hispanic, Black and Cherokee. If that matters. I try to usually self relate as an American first, not as a skin color or 'race'-related hyphen American.

    You are asserting that this Spider Man comic is a 'sacrifice' on the altar of political correctness. This issue with the alternate universe comic regarding the Spider Man character is not some BS revisionism such as you are alluding to. Peter Parker has not suddenly become black. I've already explained the story behind the black Green Lantern hero as well. Hal Jordan did not 'become black' either. In my favorite series, The Punisher, there are others who follow his doctrine in fighting crime as well. The 'Punisher' in England is a black man. How horrible, right? And that took place back in the 1980s. There also have been female 'Punishers'.

    By your own opening post, you state that 'timeless icons' shouldn't be changed. When the Batman character had his back broken some time ago in his storyline and was replaced by another (also white) Batman, were you getting on the net and going into forums raging about how sacrifices were being made to political correctness or is that belief only held if a replacement is non-white?

    Anyone who has read comics for decades (such as I have) knows that they often throw alternative universe spins onto a character using anything from having the Hulk leave the Marvel universe to fight Superman or having Conan the Barbarian time travel to modern times. Even the last Star Trek movie has gone with an alternative universe telling of it's storyline.

    If Marvel, using their alternative universe 'Knights' storyline has Peter Parker die and a non-white person who chooses to fight crime wants to take up that mantle elaborate to us exactly what's been lost? Tell me about how this has affected you in your life to a degree that it 'ticks you off'? How is this tearing down the country to have a non-white take up a super hero mantle?
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  16. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++ is clear what ticks you off. :mad:

    I think I made my point, however, I still am not sure what yours is...and sadly, I don't care.
  17. IceNiner

    IceNiner Monkey+

    Yes, its clear that you can't elaborate in one or two sentences what this 'sacrifice' or loss is that you're feeling. You're way too busy to post that I'm sure.
  18. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    Hey, sucks when it's pointed in YOUR direction, eh? little taste of what you do here on many occasions and you're very subtle about it.

    You have no effin clue what it's like to be American.. you should not comment on our politics, the tea party etc.
    For the record... the tea party members of which I am one, are not mad hatters as you quaintly put it. So who's pulling out the accusations here, eh? I might as well just label you a commie while I'm at it.. You've hit my ignore list for being an absolute ****ing retard.
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  19. CATO

    CATO Monkey+++

    Here's another example. Like I said...nothing is sacred from the PC propaganda machine. You just can't have two male friends...nope, if they are roommates, then they have to be gay. Why they need to introduce PC topics to kids, who don't even care about race or sexual orientation is just to push their agenda. Kids don't even consider these issues...until now.

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  20. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Why can't we just let the gene pool clean itself up naturally rather than let dilution continue? (I might be going to hell for that, but I think I'm on that path already for other reasons.)
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