Sex and Pregnancy During SHTF/WROL

As I said in the earlier post, my wife worked at Cincinnati Children's Hospital as a trained sex educator for about a decade. She worked in a program that used high-schoolers to teach middle-schoolers about sex. The program had a dramatic effect on the teen pregnancy rates in Cincinnati. Sadly, the Obama Admin, de-emphasized teen pregnancy in favor of pre-natal care, and all the grant money dried up.

Watching this program develp over the years, several things became clear:

1) Inner-city kids grow up in ignorance about sex and live their lives in survival mode from early childhood on.
2) These kids have no idea that saying "NO" is an option, have no clue about the consequences, and accept pregnancy and STD's as inevitable along with violence and privation.
3) All it takes is a modicum of information to get most kids thinking about making appropriate choices.

How this relates to a SHTF scenario is that I see a lot of careful thought about what kind of beans to store and what kind of ammo to horde, but nobody really thinks seriously about things like sex, pregnancy, STD's and that sort of thing. I'm assuming everyone that reads this understands the basic facts of life. If so, you're one-up on those inner-city kids. They were clueless in a way you would expect of native tribes in the jungle. However, there's a lot more too it.

Casual sex with an exchange of body fluids with a stranger is going to be about as dangerous as putting a loaded gun to your head in a post-SHTF scenario. I'm not saying abstention is the only way, but you got to be weighing the risks. Keeping your sexual activity restricted to known partners that, are in turn shunning outside contact is about as safe as you get. However, you can see where things can get Biblical in a hurry. As survival-oriented monkey, you gotta ask yourself: how are you going to weigh your natural needs against the dangers.

Pregnancy? KYHillChick used to ask how much it costs to raise a kid nowadays. Even high-schoolere were flabbergasted when the number came back as $250K. The point is that it is a HUGE investment in any scenario, and an even bigger one in SHTF. Raising a kid is going to be a huge risk.

 

True. However, it comes back to my raw sex versus condom/diaphragm/female condom post. While raw sex likely wont change and still require mutual trust, protected sex should be more prevalent. Both now and/or SHTF. If the Vikings did it and other peoples, then I see no issue or reason why its such a big deal. Live a little, have fun, with precautions. No need for the fear mongering and all the negative hype about sex if/when condoms and diaphragms are used.

 

Hold up, I want to hear all about this Viking tangent.

 

Look, I'd be the last guy to tell you abstention is the only answer. However, the part you are leaving out is the range and virulence of the STD's we have running around nowadays that Erik the Red did not have to face. I can think of a few STD's running around Cincinnati, that weren't there during my wild and crazy days. You throw in a dearth of modern medicine, and those things become downright worrisome.

Furthermore, condom use can keep a lot of these things at bay, but it is not 100%. You're also going to have to lay in a supply of condoms and keep them rotated the same way you do all your other consumables. I ran into one in the bottom of a backpack last year that probably had not seen the light of day since the first Clinton Administration. Suffice it to say it was no longer trustworthy.

I'm also the last guy who'd tell you all we should all live like a bunch of Shakers, but things like access to clean sex partners should weigh into a SHTF plan.

 

Do you think Vikings were inhibited or restricted by such views that exist today? They were not. They were free people. As patriotnurse and some others have said, sex, sexuality and masturbation are considered taboo and not often discussed. Take for example some of the morality laws that still exist. Shouldn't women have the free choice to dress for comfort or security, without being judged unfairly? Shouldn't women be able to walk around shirtless and braless if they so desire without fear of being arrested and/or judged? In some aspects, women do not really have full equality rights to men. The way I think, if men can go shirtless in Summer for comfort, women should be able to as well.

 

Women CAN go topless, anytime shirt is not required by health code, just like men. (Legally) . The rest is social taboo, and you can not legislate that.
(By all means, ladies, feel free to promote equality of shirtlessness.)

 

Vikings also saw everything as being influenced by their Gods. If they screwed a skank and their schwantz fell off, they'd say Odin was displeased with them. Vikings had no concept of pathogens. Vikings saw childbirth as only partially linked to the act of coitus. The whole of the Vikings constituted maybe a total of 500,000 individuals before population growth caused them to start expanding their territory. That's like the population of Greater Cincinnati, spread out over the geography of Norway, Sweden, and Denmark.

Vikings mucked around a lot like inner city youth do now, and the infection rates in the inner city are staggering. A do-it-like-the-Vikings strategy would probably end up nowadays with multiple infections in the first year, and some of them might very well be untreatable and ultimately fatal.

This is not AD 800. And a SHTF scenario is not Gotterdamerung.

I'm not trying to promote morals here, just hygiene. I don't care if the lady next door waves her tits at me while she's mowing the lawn. Frankly, I would not care to see it, but if you saw my neighbor you'd understand. I don't care if folks go to supermarket bare nekked.

 

People survived the Black death, in part, because Herpes evolved in that environment to kill the Black Death pathogen, saving the Herpes infected population from falling victim to it's plight.

In my AO, any man found walking around "topless" is in more danger of being sent to jail for indecency than a female (both are almost guaranteed). HUGE social stigma, but there is also an aspect personal freedoms being infringed because you are inflicting the sight of a naked body on someone, potentially against their will. Which is why strip clubs exist.

There is also an aspect of not "oversexualizing" children in such a many.

All that said, I know how expensive and generally ineffective historical condoms were, and I have never heard of ANY culture having widespread use of them pre-latex...?

 

Mother green's best. English brand of condoms. They were of wide spread manufacture even by glove makers.

 

RARE Antique Trojan Improved Condoms Tin Litho prophylactic box, birth control,

Note there's even a market for used condom collectibles. Google the term vintage condoms

 

. . . oh, and one other thing: I've partied with the Wotansvolk. They're about as lascivious as Methodists. I had a good time, but I didn't see a whole lot of action while I was there. That was just before I met KYHillChick and started my life anew among the hillbillies.

BTW: that might be a good idea for y'all. Relocate to rural Appalachia and join the local Baptist church-- there's plenty of sin, but it's all kept local.

 

Don't go trolling at your family reunions, and stay away from your own 1st cousins, you'll be fine.

True story from KYHillChick's part of the world:

We went down to a family reunion a dozen years ago or so, and there was a hot scandal brewing in her stepfather's family. It turns out two teenagers had gotten engaged and on the night of the wedding, the MIL's had sat down and compared notes. It turned out both teens had shared a father, both different than the ones on their birth certificates. Yikes! The two families told the couple and the couple decided to go through with the wedding anyways. That side of the county was having major conniptions.

It got even worse when the couple announced the bride was with child. Double Yikes! Then the newlyweds finally fessed up that the kid wasn't his and the whole county breathed a sigh of relief.

 

@shaman this sounds like my family reunions in Arkansas lol it made me smile

 

The gene pool only gets stagnant on paper. The statistic I've read is worldwide 1/3 of children have a genetic father other than their putative father. KYHillChick's kin came into their home county over 200 years ago, she's related to most of the county in one way or the other, and we regularly run into kin of hers living 250 miles away. They talk about Kentucky being the land of 4 million people and 5 last names. There's a lot of truth to that. However, even in the deepest hollows, folks still find ways to find ways to mix it up. Her side of the ledger includes George Washington's mother on her father's side, and Tecumseh's sister on her Mother's. For an isolated bunch of hillbillies, they get around.

All kidding aside, if you want a healthy sex life after SHTF, I'd not be thinking about living in your isolated bunker. The isolation is going to drive you to insanely unsafe choices. Rather, I'd be looking for an intact community with an active church and an active social life. It sounds a little drippy and square, but it beats staring at porn in your bunker and nursing a painful green discharge. As somebody's father once said, "Son, put down that rooster and get thee to church!"

 

The uber Christians are part of the issue the way I see it. The whole no sex before marriage crap, the fear mongering about arms, etc. The people that still cling to their outdated 1700s-1800s morality mindset don't know how to live and survive. I am not saying do exactly like the Vikings, what I am saying is that you don't have to or atleast shouldn't have to be super-cautious. The US is so fucked up you even have women that never know what it means to be truly free and even the ''daddy-daughter'' dates. Shouldn't incest be more of a concern than protected friends with benefits?

 

I never knew morality had an expiration date. Must have missed that in Sunday School.

 

More like a "best when used before death" date.

 

Tell this to the Amish.

What I'm saying is that you DO have to be super-cautious if you want to survive.

Figure that access to a clean sex partner is going to be a very highly-valued commodity. Nobody is going to want you mingling with their family in that way until you've been, in essence, quarantined and examined. Isn't that what courtship rituals do? Strangers with nothing to offer are not going to be welcomed in that way.

Or look at it this way: let's just say you find a group of people who let you in. How are they going to react if you give some of their women Herpes Simplex II and a dose of the clap?

BTW: you're getting this advice from someone who spent a long time partying with neo-pagans. Yes, some of them were into pretty open expressions. However, AIDS and the fear of AIDS pretty much screwed that all up. There was a major turmoil in the local group after I stopped visiting: someone got into heroin and had been sharing needles. Boyo! You've never seen a bunch run to abstinence the way they did, and in a hurry. They dropped the Friday night orgy thing overnight.

I pass close to a dozen churches in the last 20 miles to my farm. On a Sunday night, on my way back into town there are hundreds of cars in the parking lots. These are my neighbors. On the one hand, they're singing the praises to the Lord, on the other hand, they're doing some very basic things:

1) They're checking to see who has come and who hasn't.
2) They're comparing notes on who has been doing what.
3) They're deciding who is on the path to Righteousness and who is a sinner.

It's all just good Christian fun, but it's also a very complex vetting process. You have to know who to trust, who to watch, who to shun. Young men who show up on Sundays clean shaven with clear eyes and a healthy voice get noticed. Guys who miss two meetings of three and show up disheveled with a green complexion also get noticed. If one of the former asks one of the young ladies into town for dinner and a show, she's may say yes. From the latter group, the answer will probably be no.

Just one other note: I've hung with Buddists, neo-Pagans, Odinists, Quakers-- you name it. They all do the same thing.

 

It depends. My thoughts are breasts a food source for infants. Food sources should be kept clean, therefore covering is okay. I have seen the picture of the women in Africa that are bare chested and I know they breast feed over there but they live in a whole different world. Clothes and water are scarce.