small compact car's and other drivers

Discussion in 'Peak Oil' started by hank2222, Jun 22, 2011.

  1. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Oh, Yea, I forgot my Suzuki Samurai that I share with one of the local Snowbirds. They drive it here in the summers, and Momma and I drive it in the winters. For all you "Younger Monkeys" FWD is NOT Front Wheel Drive... It stands for Four Wheel Drive, and back in the day, when I was young and unEducated, I was unapologetically Educated to that Fact, when I was learning to drive an FWD Brand, Highway Clearing, SnowBlower Rig. The Foreman kidded me for years, about that "fowpaw" and I have NOT forgotten, since. Just one of the many jobs, I have had, in my six+ decades of life...... YMMV....
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  2. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Hehehe..... down here soccermoms drive stationwagons with "AWD" stamped on them - "All Wheel Drive" being mistaken for true Four Wheel Drive, which it ain't. "FWD" has always been 'Front Wheel Drive' down here, just as "RWD" is Rear Wheel Drive. The rednecks and bubbas have "4X4" on their rigs. Just a different culture I guess. Been like this for my five decades.
    Those little Samurais are highly sought after down here. Hard to find for sale - the owners won't give them up! Great little hunting trucks! [beer]
    Some company would make big sales if they could build an affordable simple Samurai-type truck. Leave off all the frippery - carpet, power-everything, killer stereos, etc. Just give us the basics.
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  3. Ladyhawke

    Ladyhawke Monkey+

    friend of mine bought a f250 that was modified to take CNG (compressed natural gas) as well as the original gas....I am so jealous I can spit! Here in Utah we have over 100 stations that offer cng and if you are traveling out of the area you can just run the vehicle on regular gas. I drove to work with him (20 miles thru mountains each way) for a week and offered to fill his tank on the 5th day. I filled the tank and bought us each a coffee and it was $12 and change...couldn't believe it. I heard it is about $2000 to convert a vehicle so we are thinking about it. He also got a bunch of money back on his taxes because of an alternative energy incentive.
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  4. prepperdad

    prepperdad Monkey+

    I agree that a small car is just as good for getting from point A to B. However if you regularly have to haul a large family or drive through rough/bad roads, a larger car is going to be more cost effective.
  5. STANGF150

    STANGF150 Knowledge Seeker

    I drive a '94 F-150. Maybe its just the area but here Size Does Matter. Soccer moms drive SUVs or better & try to run yer arse over. My gas mileage ain't great but its worth it for Comfort & Safety & Power. As for insurance, its the lowest in my LIFE!!! A mere $550 A Year!! The truck old enough it was made back when Trucks were metal & bumpers were Steel. Its survived 120,000 miles of me since I bought it used. While I don't dog my truck, I don't baby it either. For me a vehicle has to EARN its keep. No useless 2 person transporters desired here.
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  6. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    I don't know what you folks consider "Small" or "Large" but up here in Alaska, we look not for SIZE, but for Ground Clearance, Tire Footprint, and Number of Driving Wheels, as the issues getting around the country. MY Suzuki Samurai only has a small 4 Banger engine, but has 14" Ground Clearance, 3.5 Sq ft of Tire Footprint, and 4 Wheel Drive. It will go places that my Honda 4Trax will not, and only weights about 1500 Lbs. It is comparable to my Rhino, in that respect, and is a whole lot more comfortable, when it is -5F out, and you just have to go..... ..... YMMV.....
  7. ditch witch

    ditch witch resident bacon hoarder

    We use Japanese mini trucks at work to run alleys and check lines. They're both 4x4 and drive like champs, and we use about 8-10 gallons a month per truck. If they were street legal here I'd have one in a heartbeat. I def need a 4x4 to get to work in the winter or I'd be driving something smaller and a whole lot faster.
  8. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    I bought this back in Oct.F150 4x4 w/5.0 engine....
    I no longer drive it since my wifey has taken it away from me and she now drives it...
    You know..a good wife will do that to ya....ccc...

    Oh..Forgot to add...I now call her ''Bubbett''
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  9. STANGF150

    STANGF150 Knowledge Seeker

    oooooo one the NEW 5.0s. My truck is one teh Old 5.0s!!
  10. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Yep...One of the new ones...I get 20.2/20.3 Highway MPG....and i drive like crap sometimes...Heavy foot...This truck rides better at 80 than 60...Or so my wifey tells me....ccc
  11. I guess I don't believe the SMART is big enough.

    I used to drive a diesel rabbit and my dad had a rabbit pickup. It got great mileage (65mpg) and had a 6 ft bed, but only had the power to carry 6-800 lbs.

    That vehicle was extremely useful and of course ran on farm diesel or straight veggi oil most of the time. More of a rural SMART pickup.
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  12. Gray Wolf

    Gray Wolf Monkey+++

  13. hank2222

    hank2222 Monkey++ Site Supporter+

    Laugh all you want but smart is going to be bringing out a small pickup truck style vehicle here in the next year or so .but it is a very small sized truck with a few add on to the vehicle and you have a perfect little rural vehicle to drive when the gas prices go off the wall again like they did in Ca

    Put a daystar 2.inch lift kit and some 17.inch sized all weather tire & rims for better handling in the rural road set up bigger and it the perfect vehicle for us socalled single country gentlemen farmer types that needs to haul a few thing's home from the store .

    But it has grow on me in the idea that i can maybe up grade in a few year's time frame to a small pickup truck that i can take to and from the house as i need for supply runs .

    i can fit into the smart with just me about a month and half of food from the store with me in car only

    Here is some pictures of the socalled smart pickup truck that they are bringing out here in the next few years.the added pictures are of a daystar outfitted smart and it owner who live's in Az and has a place up in Snowflake area and he drive's it up in the mountains area all the time
    120109_smart_for_us_lg2. smart-car. 01smartforusdetroitwp-640x902. SmartForUs_big. 86a5442e. img_0291.
  14. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Working Monkey Founding Member


    April 14, 2009, 12:01 am

    Small Cars Rate Poorly in New Crash Tests

    By CHERYL JENSEN 480-smart.

    Insurance Institute for Highway Safety A Smart Fortwo, right, was crashed into a Mercedes-Benz C-Class sedan.
    When a Smart Fortwo collided with a Mercedes-Benz C-Class sedan, in new crash tests done by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the little Smart car went airborne and did what amounted to a pirouette. The news was not much better when the institute crashed a Honda Fit into a Honda Accord, and a Toyota Yaris into a Toyota Camry.

    Officials at the institute, which is financed by the insurance industry, said people pretty much know they aren’t going to fare well if a Fortwo tangles with a Hummer. That’s why the organization used midsize cars in these tests — to show that very small cars will be the losers in crashes, even with slightly bigger vehicles.
    The small cars were 2009 models that had earlier received ratings of “good” on the institute’s standard frontal offset crash tests (the organization rates on a scale of good, acceptable, marginal and poor). The results from the latest tests, however, were far different — so different, in fact, that the Fit, Fortwo and Yaris got “poor” ratings.

    Insurance Institute for Highway Safety Honda Fit, right, and a Honda Accord.

    In the institute’s standard 40 mile-an-hour offset frontal-crash tests, about 40 percent of the vehicle’s front end on the driver’s side strikes a deformable barrier — a collision that the institute said duplicates a crash between two vehicles of similar size and weight. That’s why the test results can be compared only among vehicles of similar weight.
    In these new tests, instead of crashing into a barrier, both vehicles crashed into each other (still offset) with each traveling about 40 miles an hour. In these types of crashes, the larger vehicle pushes the smaller one backwards. Occupants in the lighter vehicle experience greater force than those in the other vehicle, which translates to a greater chance of injury. The institute’s ratings are based on how far the larger vehicle intrudes into the occupant compartment of the smaller one, what kind of crash forces are recorded on the driver dummies and how much the dummy moves during the crash.
    Intrusion into the Fit’s occupant compartment was “extensive,” officials said, which meant a high risk of leg injury. Also, the dummy’s head struck the steering wheel through the airbag.

    Insurance Institute for Highway Safety The door of the Toyota Yaris, right, was almost torn off in a collision with a Toyota Camry.

    After it struck the front of the C-Class, the Smart became airborne and turned around 450 degrees. There was excessive movement of the dummy during rebound and extensive intrusion into the space around the dummy from head to foot. The instrument panel and the steering wheel were shoved up and toward the dummy in the Smart.
    The door of the Yaris was largely torn away. The driver’s seats in both the Yaris and Camry tipped forward, but only in the Yaris did the steering wheel move excessively. The heads of the dummies in both cars struck the steering wheels through the airbags, but only in the Yaris did the head injury measure rate a “poor.”
  15. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Working Monkey Founding Member

    Not trying to be a smart a$$ or disrespectful. The Smart Car just does not fit the bill for what I need. The only way I would consider driving a smaller car is when I do not have to worry about hitting a much larger mass in accident. Heck, my car makes me nervous at times much less something smaller.
  16. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    If/when there's a factory edition with some ground clearance and 4wd, I might get a whole lot of interested. (A roll bar would not be a bad deal on my road, either.) I don't want to get into mods, for a number of reasons. And, for my local needs, such would work well. NOT on the interstates or high traffic areas for exactly the reason of the crashworthyness. Daily commutes are now longer a concern here, so I can pick the times to go for necessities. (Not every one has that flexibility, I know. YMMV.)
  17. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Working Monkey Founding Member

    I would not be opposed to buying one for commuting, if everybody was driving something similiar in size.
  18. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    If I lived down in the FlatLands, I would have a Suzuki Samurai as my Main Vehicle, for driving around. Nice small 4 Banger Engine, 4 Wheel Drive, and Good Mileage. Hauling capability, Towing of small Trailers. These are things that I would use every day. If I didn't have a Samurai, I would be looking at getting one of the Asian 4x4 Trucks, that are not really marketed in this country. . .... YMMV....
  19. TheEconomist

    TheEconomist Creighton Bluejay

    In defensive driving courses they make you move Suburbans with Geo doesnt matter what you have as long as you know its capabilities and limitations. Outside of that it all comes down to the driver.

    My wife and I have two cars and they suit us well...

    2004 Ford Escapse with AWD and 3500lb towing package


    2011 Mazda 2 touring. Handles like a champion, gets good gas mileage and has quick in traffic. Great for getting in and out of small spaces...which could save lives if you are in the city (like we are) and are trying to squeeze through small spaces to get out.

    As I believe in any survival situation or even finance and investment. Diversification is key.
  20. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I had one of those as a company car for a while. Awful, terrible steering stability, it was too short coupled for "at speed" commuting on Rt 128 in the Boston area. Granted that was back in the 90s, they may have improved somewhat.

    Your Mazda pickups are identical with the Ford Ranger. The Ranger is discontinued this year, but if Mazda is still making them, that would do you fairly well. Daihatsu makes an "economical" tiny pickup, but other than seeing them in SEA, I don't know anything about them. Subaru also sells small pickups in Asia, similar to the Brat of some years ago. Toyota, well, that is a standard overseas as well as pretty common here. Good rigs, had one in the 80s, stood up to stupid stuff I did back then.
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