small compact car's and other drivers

Discussion in 'Peak Oil' started by hank2222, Jun 22, 2011.

  1. hank2222

    hank2222 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    I know it not for everyone who drive's a vehicle as the one person said i know how to drive it from living in La area with it traffic problems and driver's who seam to think they are race car driver's in the traffic there .

    It fits my driving style and it work's for me because of beening single and not having to haul anything but me & my weekly supply runs to the cabin

    The other day when i filled the car up at the QT gas station in Surprise on the way home from work .there was a guy filling up his personal truck and it came out to just over a $100.oo dollars just to fill it up and that add's up over a month if you filling that thing up once a week .

    My gas bill was just over $16.oo dollars for the fill up total at $3.29.a gallon here in the area i'm at and up home in ShowLow it about $3.38.a gallon .

    So i'm paying out about $20.oo dollars every two weeks to fill up the tank for two weeks of driving for work and some personal things .
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  2. Mudinyeri

    Mudinyeri Monkey+

    When I can hook a SMART car up to my gooseneck trailer and haul 16,000 lbs of cargo over the Rocky Mountains ... I'll give it some consideration. After about ten seconds of consideration, I'll think about those crash test pictures above and then replace the larger car with a vehicle the size of my current 3/4 ton Dodge Diesel and then I'll forget about it.
  3. Mudinyeri

    Mudinyeri Monkey+

    My wife was rear-ended by a small station wagon today. She was driving our 3/4 ton Dodge. Originally, much larger than a SMART car, the small station wagon is now approximately the same size as a SMART car. Nearly four feet of hood and engine were pushed back, up and down. Hardly a scratch on my Dodge.

    Where will that 3-4 feet of impact absorbtion come from in a SMART car?

    Shelly Crash.JPG
  4. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    "Liquid-filled Organic Impact Absorbing Bags"...... Bright red fluid filling to indicate proper impact absorption has occurred.

    I was once driving my old '71 Dodge Polara on a bright sunny day, and was stopped at an intersection. A little FIAT rear ended me, hard enough to rock my 'boat'. Smashed his entire front end. I think he may have knocked some rust off my trailer hitch.......

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  5. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Well...We are waiting...The picture of the back of the Dodge...Only half a story here...

  6. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Sadly my 'tank' is long gone. At 12MPG highway and 9MPG city, it wouldn't get driven much nowadays. It was a good ol car though. Big enough I could (and DID!) sleep laying on the back seat when travelling. HUGE trunk.
    Traded it in on my first (and so far only) NEW car - the gawdaweful '79 Mercury Monarch (same as Ford Grenada) - a total POS.
    When I later drove my mom's hand-me-down Toyota Tercel, it was a real come-down! I really don't like small cars.
    I would NEVER care for a SMART ('FART') car. I want some 'mass' around me.
    A buddy at work has restored and drives a 1987 MG Midget. I had forgotten how TINY they were! It uses a third of a parking space. I told him I could stash it in my van as a 'spare' in case of breakdown..... hehehe!
  7. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

  8. Midnightblue72

    Midnightblue72 Monkey++

    I dont understand why people who drive micro cars question the needs of others and what they drive. I drive a FULL SIZED SUV to work everyday and everyday I know my chances of survival are MUCH MUCH better if I was involved in an impact (traffic collision)than someone driving a small car. Do I tow a trailer or haul heavy loads? Nope. My sole reasoning for driving a LARGE SUV is having a vehicle with MASS and you cannot change basic physics, my vehicle in motion having a significantly larger MASS than a small car or in this case a Smart car and I will most likely, walk away.

    No offense, so please dont take it that way, my point is, I have a wife and 18 month old and if paying more for gas is a price I need to pay for survival so I can see them get home safely or get home safe to them, then so be it.

    IIHS Crash Test Of Mercedes C300 Versus Smart ForTwo - YouTube

    This was a 40mph collision, now increase the speed to 70 and increase the weight of the non-smart car to between 6,000-7,000 lbs like my SUV and you have a recipe for a disaster and I'm not going to be the star in that movie. There ya go, THIS is why I pay more for gasoline, it's an insurance policy that I willingly pay for at the pump.
  9. hank2222

    hank2222 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    let me answer some question for the people here .

    N1-If i had a wife and kid in the vehicle i would be driving my F250 diesel daully pickup i had for year when i had kids in the house .But it just me now and i figure it safe as i can be in today mad world of driving style's

    N2-I willing to bet you that the lady who hit the one person vehicle was talking on cell phone or answering or sending a text to someone or playing around with her mp3 player searching for a song and not doing the one thing she or he needed to be doing which was driving the vehicle .

    my phone is turned off when i drive and it turned back on when i get there and short drive's around town i do not listen to the radio or play around with the mp3 player on the radio .it left alone to do what i needed to do for intown driving watch out for the other driver's out there .

    Now on the highway out of the socalled town areas i do keep a radio on it mainly for the weather and road conditions or playing some music to break up the drive to keep me from going crazy on the long haul drives i used to do when i was working for the man
  10. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Hank, no matter how it looks, you do NOT need to defend a conscious decision based on YOUR thinking it thru. Every choice made, we hope, is rationally based.
  11. Midnightblue72

    Midnightblue72 Monkey++

    It's all about personal choice, while I wouldnt buy nor drive a car like yours, I whole heartedly support your right to own one.

    On a side note
    I also have a midsized sedan, Honda Accord EX. Last year on the way to work, I was approaching an intersection and 50' before I enter the intersection, a Toyota 4runner makes an illegal you turn in front of me. At 60 mph I evaded right and literally came within 18 inches of center punching a light pole. Unfortunate I clipped the front bumper of her car. HOLY COW. Just a nudge at that speed sent me into a 120' sweeping sideways spin and the rear of my car was 10' from oncoming traffic.

    I had paint transfer from the front left headlight all the way to the fuel filler door near the rear taillight.

    It amazing how the force of a slight side impact can redirect the forward motion of my car into total chaos, I swear, I thought I was going to die that day.

    I used to own a Geo Metro/Chevy Sprint back in 1990. Little 3 cylinder car that would get high 40s in MPG, LOL. So, I totally get your car man. Your ride is cool, that thing is packed full of safety and tech.

    Keep on keepin on man.
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  12. Gafarmboy

    Gafarmboy Monkey+++

    Straddling the fence...

    Straddling the fence..
    I have a foot in both worlds. I own a 1993 Geo Metro (3 cyl and 5 speed) that gets close to 45 mile a gallon on average. I have learned a considerable amount on the art of hyper-milling over the last few years thanks to this little car. The old metro, which was purchased for the grand total of $800.00 including four new tires, is my daily runabout and my basic to-and-from work sled. I shudder at the thought of being in ANY kind of accident in this rolling beer can.
    My other car is a 1995 f-250 4x4 that sucks gas at 12 mpg but has adequate clearance and power to handle most problems I am likely to come up against here on the farm or on most rural dirt roads. It also has reinforced dual 4"x4" thick wall bumpers front and back to ensure that my family does not receive the short end of the stick in a fender bender.
    In short, every thing has its place. No ONE vehicle can do all things for everybody. Just my two cents on that.

    If you can not protect what you own, you won't own it long.
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  13. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    That "MB vs. SMARTcar" video points out another problem inherrent in any smaller vehicle in a collision - it can get flung BACK into traffic coming up behind it- imagine his being followed by a semi rig or a bus!
    I have no illusions about what would happen to my van in a collision - the 'bumpers' are a joke, and it's built with 'programmed crumple' action like any recent-made car. But I do sit above the major impact zone compared to cars, and do have more mass around me.
    Also, I needed a vehicle with more versatility than my wee Toyota has. Being able to haul a load and tow a trailer is more valuable to me than super-great gas mileage.
    Folks that choose small cars know the danger, and accept it, as with any choice in life.
    Me, if I feel the need for better mileage, I ride my bike. Even less 'crash-worthiness' than the SMARTcar, but more maneuverable (within certain limits) and more fun to me to ride.
    We all make our choices based on needs and wants.
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  14. apocalypsewow

    apocalypsewow Monkey

    My '86 Toyota Corrolla gets better mileage than most new fancy-schmancy hybrids stuffed with automatic everything. Absolutely reliable and built solid. If I had children, that would be the last resort but for now a great daily driver. Nice way to save money for survival essentials. The other end of the spectrum is covered by a 92 Ford E350 nonIDI diesel SWAT van that weighs 8600 lbs but gets 16 mpg if driven with mileage in mind. It is equipped as an instant Bug Out vehicle and is nice to use for extended trips. The lights, sirens, and PA may come in handy someday actually. Now just a potentially troublesome temptation, though. I'm fairly confident both of these will operate after an EMP with minimal work. Any thoughts?

    Anyway, now for some ranting. From what I know, if so-called environmentalists cared less about their image and more about conservation of resources they would do the research, which demonstrates that it is best to keep fixing their old cars instead of trashing them for the new cars marketed as "ecofriendly" which often involve more use of resources to produce than the insignificant difference in mpg between old and new. What a shameful waste when we have all this good stuff sitting around, much of which gets better mpg. The rush toward micro and hybrid is just another product of corporate strategy to convince people to throw away perfectly useful products, not for the practically superior, but for less durable symbols of status that can be turned over again even more quickly for the newest fashion that is hopefully purchased on credit.
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  15. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    An Old Style, Mechanical Injected Diesel Engine, is completely impervious to EMP. There just are NO electrical systems involved with the engine. EMP will not harm a Starter Motor, or Battery, unless it possibly happens right above you. One of my backup Gensets is a 3 Kw, Single Cyl, Fairbanks/Morse 45B, Diesel Engine, that can be Hand Cranked, and has NO Electical Components on the engine, at all. The Genset has a single, Diode Bridge, that provides the field current, and I have multiple replacements for it in the EMP proof Storage, should that fry, which is nOT likely. ..... YMMV....
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  16. Mudinyeri

    Mudinyeri Monkey+

    Sorry I missed this. A picture would have shown ... wait for it ... nothing. You would not have been able to tell that my truck had been rear-ended from a photograph.
  17. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Not even hardly a scratch...Nothing to show ?
    Funny...Ever Dodge that i owned ended up with 1k plus damage no matter where i was tapped...You must have a 12'' I-Beam for a bumper..Whatever man..Whatever...

  18. STANGF150

    STANGF150 Knowledge Seeker

    or be driving an old old dodge. older the car/truck, the tougher the metal. though by that theory Model T oughta be able to go thru a modern 18-wheeler longways LoL YMMV
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  19. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    ..I need an older model that's 10 feet tall,bullet proof and able too leap tall building's with a single bound....

  20. STANGF150

    STANGF150 Knowledge Seeker

    well Gator, its at least part the reason I drive an 18 year old truck. Newer ones may have more powerful motors, better gas mileage, & the ones with same model name may be bigger than mine. But they are Plastic & Aluminum!!! I happy with my ole truck's steel bumpers. Plastic Bumpercovers on a Truck mean no REAL Bumper!!!

    Catch is, I'd like to also have/get an even older truck. about a 1970-1974 Fullsize Ford Truck. EMPproof, tough as hell, & a damn sight easier to work on!! Electronics=the downfall of the home shadetree mechanic!!
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