Society breaking down

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by E.L., Aug 30, 2005.


  1. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    This doesn't surprise me at all. It just goes to show what people will do, especially the trash that is found in inner cities.

    E- FOXFAN CENTRAL
    Governor: Evacuate New Orleans
    Tuesday, August 30, 2005



    Looting became a problem in both Biloxi and in New Orleans, in some cases in full view of police and National Guardsmen. One police officer was shot in the head by a looter in New Orleans, but was expected to recover, Sgt. Paul Accardo, a police spokesman.

    On New Orleans' Canal Street, which actually resembled a canal, dozens of looters ripped open the steel gates on clothing and jewelry stores, some packing plastic garbage cans with loot to float down the street. One man, who had about 10 pairs of jeans draped over his left arm, was asked if he was salvaging things from his store.

    "No," the man shouted, "that's EVERYBODY'S store!"

    Looters at a Wal-Mart brazenly loaded up shopping carts with items including micorwaves, coolers and knife sets. Others walked out of a sporting goods store on Canal Street with armfuls of shoes and football jerseys.

    Outside the broken shells of Biloxi's casinos, people picked through slot machines to see if they still contained coins and ransacked other businesses. "People are just casually walking in and filling up garbage bags and walking off like they're Santa Claus," said Marty Desei, owner of a Super 8 motel.


    I can see taking what you have to have to survive in an emergency situation, with the intent upon paying back what you had taken. These scum are just stealing because society has broken down around them, and they can get away with it. Looters like this should be shot on sight.
     
  2. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I'll take looter shooter duty in the group...
     
  3. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I think that position is to prized to be taken by just one person, lets all work together to turn them to swiss cheese....then we can secure any abandoned goods for the groups use.
     
  4. TLynn

    TLynn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    It's an unfortunate by product of society...of any society really. You will always find those that are the I want so when something like this happens that's exactly what they do - they go out and get it. Never mind that they are basically taking advantage of a trajedy and helping to ruin even more of what will be a very depressed economy. Nevermind that by doing so they are going to totally ruin somebody else's livelihood and make things worse for others. It's me, me, me.

    They are the scum of the earth but let us understand that it's our society that brought them up that way (not us as individuals but the society we have in place). Of course that's the norm when you have a mob...it always brings out the worse in a majority of people.

    melbo, I think they need a huge contingency of mob control help. You alone would not be enough (an effective start yes).
     
  5. sniper-66

    sniper-66 Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    You are right TLynn, and they are the same scumbags that will cry when their welfare check doesn't arrive on time! Ooops, did I say that in an open forum?
     
  6. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I just seconded the thought...
     
  7. TLynn

    TLynn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I won't third it because I know several people that have worked their behinds off to get off welfare. Myself included...even though that was a very long time ago.

    But yes, most would and will cry because their welfare check isn't going to arrive on time (they won't have a home for it to arrive to now will they)?
     
  8. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I have no problems with 'aid' as a safety net... I just don't care for the ones that use it as a way of life without ever trying to get off it.

    T, I was never on welfare. But I do remember a night where my roomate and I flipped a coin to see who would get the last Potato. I on and had to pick the leaves off it... I spent a great number of years in 'hungry mode'
     
  9. BRONZ

    BRONZ Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Melbo can I be the overwatch position
     
  10. TLynn

    TLynn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    melbo, I prefer the raman noodles myself...I remember when they had sales on them (we'd pick up huge quantities of them something like 20 for $1). Not much on nutrition value but you sort of felt like you were filled up.

    However, don't ever try cat food - it does not taste like real food (I don't care what anyone says).

    By the way...you should of tried making a small batch of potato soup...though with only one potato probably wouldn't of worked. My dad's mom had to feed 10 kids with potato soup. Dad started working on a ranch when he was about 8 (his grandparent's) and going to school just to help support the family. His father had taken off and we later found out went to California and remarried (funny thing though - he never did get divorced from his first wife).

    Amazing though what you do when you have to and how some will pull themselves up by the boot straps and how others will just stay down and refuse to go anywhere. Sometimes I think the system helps them stay there.
     
  11. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Definatly agree, its a good thing to have for a saftey net but not for the 'pros'. Have heard a woman proundly proclaim when asked what she did that she was a third generation profesional welfare recipient.
    I also agree that the system helps keep folks on the dole. I went to collage with a gal that had 4 kids and her husband left her and the kids. She was getting her collage paid for along with here housing and utilities subsidized down to $85/month, food stamps, around $1500/mo cash, $10 a day 'transportastion alowance', $5/kid/hour she was in school for daycare, med coverage for her and the kids, and I forget what all else. She got a job as a waitress to try to start working her way off the dole and was told by her case worker that if she didnt quit her job she would have ALL assistance cut off in a month includeing her schooling and being evicted from the townhouse. Something about that is just screwed up, can live better on the dole than she could by working and if tries to start helping herself gets screwed.
    I do figure though that if the person is able bodied there should be a time limit after which they are just cut off and if they cant make it to bad, note I did say able bodied folks, in other words those who could do for themselves and are chooseing not to after say 3-5 years. For those who are not capable of doing for themselves it is a different deal.
     
  12. sniper-66

    sniper-66 Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    T, Don't have a problem one with someone on the system, however, I have a problem with people who use the system and then when something like this happens will loot TVs, and personal things that have nothing to do with their stature. Like the guy who took a Microwave out of a store and when asked if it was his store, said," It's everybody's store now" Would have shot him myself.
     
  13. TLynn

    TLynn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    sniper-66, I totally agree. I can understand taking food. Especially perishable food because it's going to spoil anyway so it might as well get used. Plus people need to eat and as I understand it they were told to go ahead and help themselves by some places so they wouldn't go hungry till help arrived.

    Outright looting - yep shoot them.

    MM, that's what I'm talking about. The system is just not set up to help people get out. It is totally set up to keep you in, and it's not right.
     
  14. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    It's a control thing.... internment camps, quarantine camps, shelters..... all the same... pens for sheeple..... lots and lots of problems.... problem is we try to control so many things that are simply out of our control or not realistically controllable.... and then find out the hard way..... :rolleyes:
    History is full of good examples of failure to control.... its one thing to round them up.... its another when so many wolves hide in sheep's clothing.... :twisted:
    Even in the corporate world.... a lot of people have an "entitlement" mentality.... they think that they are entitled to be taken care of or to help themselves to what they need.... even if its not theirs.... :x
    Hunger, discomfort, uncertainty, etc... when those set it.... panic, desparation, and violence are sure to follow.... then it get's ugly.... :twisted:
    There's alot of "lessons" to be learned by this event.... but it seems like we are slow learners...... :rolleyes:
    Now they have armed officers surrounding a bank that was destroyed... sheesh... ;)
     
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