Some thoughts about defending your retreat

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by Grand58742, Feb 23, 2011.

  1. AxesAreBetter

    AxesAreBetter Monkey+++

    I would. I'd prefer to be friends, but if I'm after them, I'm after them.
  2. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    I would, if I still had my AR10 with it's 24" Stainless Bull Barrel, and a place to snipe from, out 800-900 Yds... Drop that Sucker, Like a Sack of Potatoes...
  3. techsar

    techsar Monkey+++

    Now that's not very more Kenwoods for you ;)

    Seriously, though. Isn't that someone that you would prefer to have on your side, rather than an opponent?
  4. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    My point is, "There is NO ONE so big, you can't sneak up behind them, with a Lead Pipe..." If the Target has a whole lot of Electronics, and Power, that does NOT make him invincible.... Or SECURE... OPSEC, says you do NOT advertise you capabilities.... Or even your presence, if at all possible....
  5. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Speaking bluntly, it would depend on how many there were and what they had that I wanted.

    Most types of surveillance can be defeated; one that cannot be defeated are dogs. Try and sneak up on a dog.

    Well said.
    First one lays back and studies them for days until their habits and movements are established. Same with their capabilities. Create range cards for your various positions. After that, owning them in pieces isn't difficult. Next is introducing them to terror. Yesterday, relieving themselves was easy; tomorrow, bang. Last week harvesting was easy, next week bang. Guard duty at night was simple, until bang.

    The problem is most people haven't done it for real. Anyone can hit a target; effective sniping is a learned skill and a whole different subject.
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  6. T. Riley

    T. Riley Monkey+++ Site Supporter++

    So we're all going to be looting sooner or later? After defending ourselves and our stuff for months we are to become the very evil we fought? I hope not.
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  7. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Willie Sutton, the famous second story man, was asked during an interview after he was convicted (and in prison) about a certain burglary that he was suspected of, but not tried. Seems like the place was large, isolated, and fenced with several dogs that were allowed loose in the yard. Willie said that if it were him, he would have taken some steaks along and give the dogs each one on the way in, and another on the way out.
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  8. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Willie was slick. My babies are inside and can hear the deer crunching corn at the feeder about 60-70' from the house. Willie was around long ago; my babies won't take food from my own family without looking at me. I've seen it with my Dobermans but didn't realize Pitts would react the same.
    When grandson was in HS, the drug dog reacted to his back pack. The kid was totally embarrassed and said there's a treat in there for our dogs for when I get home. The highly skeptic LEO said then get it. He did and the so-called drug dog ate both treats and lost interest in his back pack. Not too well trained.


    Yes we draw a crowd. They growl and I ask is it deer and the tails thump. Anything else and they go ballistic.
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  9. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Sounds like another deep water boating accident took your AR10 to the drink!!
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  10. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    Several of us have brought up logistics/ resupply and that is what makes me doubt that there will be groups running around looting everything in sight. The cities and some outlying areas ?? yes. But ammo will run out. Food will run out, drinkable water will run out. This is the biggest reason to bug in stay put and stay quiet until its over. Don't waste resources looking for trouble. I am determined that this summer I am going to get 4 years wood supply cut ,split and stacked. If I do that I wont be trying to cut wood two weeks after the event and fighting off people who want my chainsaw gas for their car. Having enough heating fuel for 4 years would mean we could wait two years to use the saws and cut like mad for a week then get back in the cover. Hell I might even go for 5 years supply. That would be about 30 cord. I have stored gas now for 5 years and it worked fine in my saws. Marine grade gas with marine stabil kept underground in an old well pit cool and dry. The first and second years in my opinion will be the worst and those years we need to be concentrating on defense and the garden/ animals. Keep people away stay fed and wait out the event.
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  11. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Don't forget the camo tarps to cover that 30 cords in winter.
  12. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Well, NO... Since the AR10 is part of my Inventory, of my FFL... If I had a Boating Accident, like that, I would have to notify the ATF of the loss of Inventory., and make a Notation in my Bound Book.... The nice thing about this, IS, That ONLY an ATF Agent with a Seizure Warrant, or a US Marshal, can remove an Inventoried FireArm, from my Personal Possession, without committing a Federal FELONY... There is NO Exemption for ANY other Federal, State, or Local LEO, IN THE Gun Control Act of 1968, as amended... and if such a thing ever happened to ME, I would DEMAND the local US Attorney, prosecute the offender, to the Maximum extent of the Federal Statute..... Being an FFL, is a Bookkeeping PIA, but it does have it's perks....
  13. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Correct, and any defense, KNOWN, can be worked around. The best detection system, is one you don't even know is in place, and do not know you have tripped.
    "Most types of surveillance can be defeated; one that cannot be defeated are dogs. Try and sneak up on a dog." Poisoned meat, left for your dogs to find, is the most common method I know to get by dogs, quietly. Antifreeze, sleeping pills crushed into tasty food. (If they will eat anything, anywhere, not in their bowls, they are vulnerable.
    No one even needs to approach very close. A water balloon slingshot will deliver any tainted bait from a good distance. Then wait. An attacker will not care about what happens to your dog.
  14. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Chickens are quite good at being an early warning system. In addition, they lay eggs and are good to eat,

    My dogs will only take food from us, my daughter or grandson. Plus if and when, there will be break wire, punji pits, and a variety of other ways of saying hello.
    I love animals and if someone harmed my blood or my babies; I would not care how long or painful it would take them to die.
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  15. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Good. I just wish I could say I had not seen it done. I hear guinea hens are even better than chickens.
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  16. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    ARVNs used chickens and they were quite effective and fresh eggs are good.

    One amazing thing about dogs. My babies notice deer browsing across the road. That is about 160-180'. How they know the deer are there is beyond me.

    Cats are just as good except they don't make noise. ;)
  17. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Sir, that depends on the individual animal and thier enviroment, as well as how well you listen to thier cues. In city, dogs and cats usually could not care less, because thier enviroment is constant change, cars and people are normal, and everything is ordinary. They notice changes pretty well, anything that leaves a new scent or movement, but when change is normal, they ignore it. And even if they do notice, dogs here can bark for hours and no one takes notice, because it is nothing new.
    Some places here do use guard dogs, but expect the teeth to do the work, not the eyes ears or nose.
    If you do not monitor that dog, it's warning falls on deaf ears (literally )
    Also, diffrences in breed make a huge diffrence. Dalmatians are the traditional fire dog due to the fact that the majority of the breed is stone cold deaf. Sirens don't bother them, and they are easier to see in the smoke, not because they are any better at what they do. Different breeds have different strong points and weaknesses.
  18. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    You have a point. My grandson asked my my daughter why their dogs didn't behave as mine do. She said when a car drives by; it's a neighbor. When a car drives by I think who the H is that. The dogs read that on their families. To me, a stranger or any activity is abnormal. Or as she told her son, your grandfather's dogs are like your grandfather.

    My dogs respond to me and theirs to them. Dogs read their "master." I live in remote places where there are no strangers. They lived near a city where there are strangers. Simply said, a dog reads their owner.

    In the country, no change is normal; especially when dogs sense their "master" dislikes change.

    Oh, I pay my babies attention. When they growl at night; I say is it the deer and hear the thump of a tail on the floor. If they go ballistic; I get a firearm.

    You make your dog what it is.
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  19. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Exactly right. Dogs strictly for hunting, are trained diffrently, pets, the same. Guard dogs get thier own training, same with drug dogs, they all learn diffrent expectations from thier masters.
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  20. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    Are you suggesting that drug dogs are better at sniffing out donuts than drugs??? ;)
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