Actually if the references weren't clear I was thinking along the lines of a "Tri-States" "Out of the Ashes" scenario. But after reading Joel Skousens "Relocation Guide" I like his reasoning on choosing the high desert area of N. Arizona and S. Utah as the safest locale for long term survival. We had some great discussions here in the beginning when it was just us oiginal members. Not that we don't still, but it just doesn't have the "sitting around the campfire" feel that it did back then. And as far as traveling "safely". There wouldn't be any such thing in a true TEOTWAWKI world. Or living safely for that matter.