The US-China trade- a shooting war could be next

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  1. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    A trade war broke out Friday between the U.S. and China, when the U.S. imposed tariffs on $34 billion in Chinese products and China slapped tariffs on and equal amount of U.S. products. President Trump has said that would prompt the U.S. to impose up to $500 billion in Chinese products.

    But things could get worse. The deterioration in U.S.-China relations could escalate and turn into a shooting war between two nuclear armed superpowers. In the worst-case scenario, this could result in massive casualties on both sides that could even lead to nuclear war.

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    Some will call such a statement pure hype – and I wish it was. But the facts lead us to a dark place when it comes to our relationship with China, which is becoming less of a partnership and more like a fight between mortal enemies looking to gain any advantage they can over the other.

    We are all rightly concerned over North Korea’s nuclear weapons, Iran’s penchant for backing terror, and a rogue Russia that can’t seem to stop causing trouble all over the world. But these problems are nothing when compared to the China challenge. No other nation is as able to challenge American power on the world stage in the coming years.

    Just look over the current state of affairs in the U.S.-China relationship. We see trade and military stand-offs, territorial disputes, and allies and partners of both nations squaring off or cybersecurity challenges. We see two nations on a collision course that seems more like the Cold War than the 21st century.

    But before we stare war with China in the eye, let’s consider the budding trade battle between Washington and Beijing.

    The Trump administration new duties on $34 billion in on Chinese goods amount to a 25 percent tariff. The duties impact items such as X-ray machine parts, water boilers, airplane tires and industrial parts.

    China slapped its tariffs on $34 billion worth of U.S. products such as soybeans, electric cars, pork and other products.

    But the Trump administration is not ready to back down, and, in fact, seems itching for a scrap.

    A senior Trump administration official told me Friday: “We are ready for a trade war. If they want it we are ready to fight it. They need to remember America would win that so-called war, hands-down. Our market is bigger, our consumers richer – we are the global innovator. All we ask is for an even playing field from the Chinese. If they won’t agree to that, then they will have to deal with the consequences.”

    When I asked what those consequences were, the official was quite clear: “China will pay a price. We will impose costs on them. They need to be ready for that. We are.”

    And one thing is quite clear: Washington does hold an advantage in a trade fight – the numbers don’t lie. America imports much more from China than China imports from the U.S.

    And while U.S. consumers and businesses would be hurt in a full-blown trade war, China stands to lose out on a big portion of the $462 billion in goods and services America imports from that nation. Considering the fact that the Chinese economy is already slowing down, Chinese President Xi Jinping would be wise to back off.

    But something bigger is afoot here – a seismic shift in international affairs that has been dormant, until now. As I have explained in these very digital pages, the U.S.-China relationship was bound to become adversarial as soon the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.

    The Soviet threat was the one thing that brought both China and the U.S. together in the 1970s. Beijing saw the confrontation with America coming, and was already beginning to modernize its armed forces and recalibrate its military posture to take on the looming challenge from across the Pacific.

    While China certainly did prepare for what it felt was an inevitable encounter with America, time and circumstances seems to put any sort of showdown. Beijing’s ascension to the World Trade Organization in 2001 meant economic ties would grow between both nations quickly – and geopolitical tensions are not good for business.

    The Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks also meant Washington was forced to shift its attention from Asia and back into the Middle East for over a decade. A true showdown with China was averted – at least for a while.

    Unfortunately, it seems the chances of a real clash with China – and even a military confrontation – are now spiking. With America less involved in the daily squabbles of the Middle East and no longer keen on letting Beijing take us to the cleaners on trade, any number of issues could see these two superpowers exchange blows.

    For example, China over the last few years has been pushing absurd claims that seek to turn the waters around its coasts into its own sovereign territory. From the East China Sea all the way to South China Sea, Beijing is determined to ensure that is the master of the seas – and push Washington out of the region for good.

    To support such claims, Beijing has made some key investments in its military to win a war with America. The centerpiece of this is a missile arsenal that is second to none, and is of such a size that U.S. missile defenses would be overwhelmed many times over.

    Firing from shore, China would hope to destroy most of America’s military bases around the region as well as sink any warships as far out as Guam. The worst part of all – thanks to treaty commitments with Russia – is that Washington is unable to counter Beijing’s missile weaponry on land.

    And from there it gets even worse. Backed by a massive militia that is nearly impossible to match, a growing navy armed with aircraft carriers and an air force that is producing fighter planes that strangely look like our very own stealth aircraft – because China stole the technology – Beijing’s claims in Asia are only growing more outrageous.

    At one point a few years ago, it seemed China was even making veiled claims to Okinawa, a clear part of Japanese territory that is home to a massive U.S. military presence. Such claims have even fostered parody articles saying that China has claimed most of the Pacific and Hawaii, almost fooling an entire conference at Yale University a few years ago.

    History tells us that nations with divergent interests and competing geopolitical goals with enough proximity tend to clash. In fact, as Harvard Professor Graham Allison reminds us, in 12 out of 16 cases studies where a rising power competed with an established power – think China vs. America – war was the result.

    Therefore, when talk of a trade war with China heats up, I think of a very different type of war. And you should too.

    The US-China trade war has begun - a shooting war could be next

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  2. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    Look who was in charge when China was making claims in and around Okinawa.
    The president at the time was making it very clear he wanted to be the entire world's door mat.
     
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  3. sec_monkey

    sec_monkey SM Security Administrator

    there will be a [YD] war ..

    the fat boy has to hand over the guds or receive a few of these [​IMG]

    china might not be far behind
     
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  4. Thunder5Ranch

    Thunder5Ranch Monkey+++

    Two Countries competing to be the economic super power and both overall fairly evenly matched in applicable force. Can debate that evenly matched but when you break it all down it is accurate. Factor in the other Nations that would join in on either side or get dragged into it. Yeah it could real messy real fast if the trade war turns into a hot war.
     
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  5. SB21

    SB21 Monkey+++

    I'm rooting for Trump to turn this country around , but I have worried about his trade policies with China. I know Trump is a business man, and he's used to negotiating big business deals , but he wasn't dealing with a negotiator with nukes. I'm wondering if he shouldn't scale back a little with his bravado. If a war were to start between us , I'm not sure we'd have much to live for afterwards. I feel we'd be decimated to the point , if China didn't walk in and take us over , we'd be left open for someone else to. But I always expect the worst , but hope for the best.
     
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  6. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    The term is "mutual assured destruction".........
     
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  7. sec_monkey

    sec_monkey SM Security Administrator

    it would not be MAD with the fat boy ..

    with china .. it might be or it might not be ..
     
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  8. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    More doom and gloom to keep the people living in fear so they continue to believe that fascist corporate government is necessary. This is actually a global corporate operation, not multiple governments fighting, no matter what you see or hear. Smoke and mirrors to keep the audience entertained.

    CORPORATIONS rule this world.
     
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  9. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Well there is that......
    The thread is more about preparing for whatever, regardless of the news of the day............or corporate masters pulling strings.
     
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  10. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Burn it all down. You can't prep for Lucifer! [reddevil]

    Yeah, seriously though. This will only end with fire.
     
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  11. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    [dancindevil] [micro] :evil: Let it burn...... :)
     
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  12. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Absolutely, my friend. Sorry to derail your thread, but even their own mantra, the words of the deepest occult make it clear: IGNA NATUR RENOVATUR INTEGRA (if my Latin is any good at all these days) - all of nature is renewed by fire. What we are witnessing is only a portion of our making, a period in time when we struggle to push beyond the precipice and face possible annihilation. Whether or not we make it is simply a matter that time shall tell. Will we rise like a phoenix from the ashes, or fall into the abyss and eternal darkness erases the mark of humanity from this rock?

    They are forming a crucible to force action, and through this change will occur. We have the hand of guidance through careful manipulation of all policymaking, and we also have a building of strength derived from fighting amongst each other. Those who live on the surface of this planet are absolutely expendable. The end game is somewhat elusive, but your perspective and focus determines the reality we create, too.
     
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  13. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    My thread has been derailed..... where is my law dag to get reimbursement for emotional harm, slander and sexual assault. :p
     
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    Not to mention loss of consort.
     
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  15. Guerrilla Tactical

    Guerrilla Tactical A Well Dressed Monkey

    I'm wary of believing most anything that comes from "official" news outlets in these post-Traitor years, especially FOX News...

    I personally believe that all the major news networks have been owned and controlled for generations by powers that want America out of the picture for good. I've watched for 30 years now as FOX News in particular has been a turn-coat for each successive administration. IMO that's worse than CNN being a lapdog for the left; It's good that FOX New supports the President no matter the administration, but after Clinton, Bush and Obama I wouldn't trust them as far as I could toss 'em!

    That said, I really think that right now more than ever, we must have faith in our current president. Faith in God that he has deemed us worthy of salvation. America is going through the craziest period EVER in its history right now, and I for one am thankful we finally have a leader with some cojones! I believe Trump has what is needed to maneuver us through these treacherous waters ahead.

    Don't get me wrong, America right now is in a very precarious place! And I really believe it's going to get worse. But I seriously doubt we have more to fear from China than we do from the fifth column within the United States. I'm not saying China is not a threat, however. Hell, for all I know China and Russia are 100% behind the unrest that is spreading through this Great country! But right now what I see as the most pressing matter for the preservation of this nation is preventing the spread of this insanity on the left. That shiz needs to be stopped!

    Fact of the matter is, our house is on fire!

    We'd be best served right now to find a solution to the problems on the homefront before they become so chaotic that they distract us from an impending invasion, if you know what I mean.

    Unity within prevents invasion from without.

    I think what we are reading here is most likely some never Trump-er spreading fear and disinfo. I personally don't doubt they exist even within FOX today. After watching 99.9% of the MSM lick boots for the past three decades, I don't trust a one of 'em! These guys are spin masters. If they were truly rooting for the salvation of this nation, they'd be spinning this story in a very different manner.

    Just my two bits.
     
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  16. Guerrilla Tactical

    Guerrilla Tactical A Well Dressed Monkey

    I think a local guy on the radio said it very well in an interview with Gianforte this morning, and I'm paraphrasing, "No great deal is ever reached without the involved parties walking away from the table a couple times."

    I think he's right in this. What we are seeing is disagreements in the negotiations, perhaps a bit of over reacting on the part of governments, but more than anything we are seeing an absurd stretching of the truth when it comes to those responsible for getting the critical info to the public.

    And much of the reasoning for that may lie in the points that Yard Dart touched upon, that being a corporate/fascist greed.

    Fear is good for business.

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  17. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Moderator Moderator

    I would watch a match between The Donald vs. Xi Jinping.

    Truthfully I do not feel worried about the trade war. Times in the past I have felt a need to step up preps or get more fuel etc. But this trade war with China hasn't made me feel uneasy. Maybe I am being naive but both countries have too much to lose. China needs Americans to by there stuff and Americans depend on jobs selling all that Chinese stuff. Personally I am more worried about a series of natural disasters that could send us into a downward spiral.
     
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  18. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    A bad bowl of chili...maybe?! :D
     
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  19. Guerrilla Tactical

    Guerrilla Tactical A Well Dressed Monkey

    Is there such a thing?!?:sick:
     
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  20. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Yes.... yes there is. :whistle:
     
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