Trash, What Is Your Plan

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by Yard Dart, Dec 5, 2014.


  1. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    Unless you live on a large tract of land where you can have your own mini-dump without anyone noticing, how are you going to handle trash when SHTF? Obviously, one would want to use everything possible for a new purpose once it has been used for it's primary function. Paper can be used to start fires, plastic bags can be used for waste disposal and so on. But what are you going to do with the stuff you can not re-purpose, waste, animal remains that are not consumed, food packaging, ECT.

    If you burn your trash, you will alert folks via smoke and smell to your location. If you have a pile out front of your house, passer by's will see it and know someone is in the area. If you bury it, where are you doing it, and how are you disguising the area. Do you have a plan for disposal of hazardous waste that will discard feces and such away from your AO. Disease from corpses, feces, dead animals and such will be a high item to address to prevent disease from spreading. Curious to how others are addressing this and what you are planning in general.....
     
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Unique deal in my case. There are a couple rock quarries within walking distance. Plus, night burns don't show smoke if you do it in small quantities in a barrel. I suppose a dedicated nose could find out where the barrel might be --
     
  3. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.

    We will have a problem with our various fire pits around the back 40. Even though we're on 10 acres, there are 1/2 dozen sub-divisions within distance of smelling our smoke and my brothers are not exactly good at being "subtle".
    -It's a problem that will have to be solved "in real time". Ugh.

    Stuff that needs rotting - well at least I have a good plan and am supplied for that....
    Ferment everything.
    Bokashi.
    I've had nothing but amazing results with this stuff so far....
    I did a double garbage bagged sack of wood chips in 2 months...
    Burried it and it was RICH DIRT in MONTHS not YEARS.
    You can hammer any meat and any food scraps into fermented bokashi in 8 weeks or less.
    It does take some maintenance though with meat...you have to mind the liquids and drain it off.
    Bury it and it will be super rich dirt faaaaar quicker than "composting".

    I don't know if you can do feces with it....but I can't imagine throwing a handful of bokashi onto your poop pit would be anything but beneficial to making it disappear quicker...

    MG
     
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  4. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

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  5. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Metal weldin' monkey Site Supporter+


    Now that you mention it, there are several around here as well. Not really within walking distance, but doable on horseback easily. Good idea. We already have a small dump/burn pit on site and honestly planned on that. Doing smaller burns does make sense, and I'm ashamed to admit I hadn't thought about this from that POV.
     
  6. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.

    "
    After Fermenting…
    The statement that the Bokashi mixture can be dug into the garden after fermenting for ten days shouldn’t be confused with the statement that the mixture is done. The on-line description of the bin refers to what’s produced in two weeks as “pre-compost” and warns that plant roots should not touch it directly for a week or two; only after a month is it fully incorporated into soil. (Like the anaerobic compost produced by digesters, Bokashi pre-compost is quite acidic when it first emerges from its bin.)

    Some people feed pickled Bokashi material to their vermicomposting worms, apparently with no problems. Given how acidic the Bokashi process (and product!) are, and how sensitive worms can be to acidic environments, it may seem surprising that the worms do not react to fermented feedstock, but apparently it’s not a problem.

    Others put Bokashi pre-compost into their regular composting pile. In gardens, one must remember not to plant anything where the Bokashi was buried for at least two weeks. Burying it in the compost pile eliminates this need. It also solves the problem of finding fallow space in small gardens. While it might seem pointless to use the Bokashi method if you’re just going to throw the stuff on the compost heap anyway, this objection misses an important point: while the material that goes into a Bokashi bin would take months to compost in an outdoor pile, the pre-compost breaks down completely in about a month.

    The acidic nature of Bokashi means that one should keep an eye on the pH of the pile, especially if one is adding Bokashi frequently.
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    True - when i dug up the chips to see what was left of them - there were tons of worms....
     
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  7. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    And that is why we talk about those things... we never stop learning and developing our plans to survive.... your life may depend on it.
     
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  8. Gesko

    Gesko Monkey

    since i live in a city, i guess i'll just throw my trash down the balcony...

    i haven't really thought about that one, and tbh, not quite sure yet what to do. i have a cemetery right across the street, might dump it there, but next to that it's kinda hard in a city to get rid of it.
     
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  9. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    You could find a mortuary nearly anywhere, and they have incinerators.
     
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  10. KAS

    KAS Monkey++

    @BTPost what do they do with the trash out in your area?
     
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  11. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    In the winter, we burn ALL our trash, and when the first barge comes each spring, they bring a Garbage Van, and we load it with the Ashes, and ship it out, to a Landfill in eastern Washington. When the barge no longer runs, (SHTF Time) we will just take the Ashes, and dump them in the Inlet. (60 - 100 Fathoms Deep)
     
  12. smithcp2002

    smithcp2002 Monkey+ Site Supporter++

    Plastic is the biggest part of the equation, everything else can be ground and composted, I use the plastic in a rocket burner at less then a forty percent mix to wood products. Water dumping is a fast and forget it. It has long term feed back on the water table, in inland. Best thing "reduce and reuse".
     
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  13. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    I'm just gonna do what Grandma and Grandpa did. Save it if you can reuse it (maybe repurpose later .. that's what the junk pile was for), burn it, bury it or put it on the compost heap.

    Not worried about open burning during SHTF, everything else will be burning/smoldering what's a little more particulate matter wafting in the breeze.
     
  14. ditch witch

    ditch witch resident bacon hoarder Site Supporter+

    We have all metal dumpsters all over town. Fill 'em up, light a match. Wouldn't be the first time someone's set one on fire.... Living in town, everyone knows you're here anyway so alerting them to a trash fire not a big concern of mine. If it is, I'll use a dumpster by someone I don't like. :D

    Animal remains... with 4 dogs we won't have to worry about that. They'll eat everything but the squeal. Plastic is the main problem in that it doesn't really burn, can't bury it or feed it to critters. We don't have much in use besides trash bags though.

    I don't know how common it is in other areas, but around here some of the smallest towns (under 1000 pop) have old incinerators at the dump. Most of them haven't been used in fifty plus years but they still work and ours at least is pretty good sized... certainly big enough to toss a few bodies into.
     
  15. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Plastic means changeable or malleable, so if it will not burn or bury, melt and form it into bricks, and build with it.
     
  16. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Frankly, I am not too concerned with fire and trash. Footprints in the snow will tell more than either smoke or wastes will tell.
     
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  17. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Monkey

    Bokashi.... Thanks YD!! Something to do with my spent brewing grains... Or maybe I'll just get some chickens...[clp]
     
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  18. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.

    I'd be keen to know how fast those grains would turn to dirt if you just threw a handful of bokashi into a garbage bag of grains and burried it immediately. I bet in 2 months it would be PH sweet and rich black dirt.
    Worm farming....i should be doing this.
     
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  19. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Monkey

    Lactobacillus is mega active within a day on spent grains. They're a prime growing media.. PH usually around 5.5.
     
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  20. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Out here in the county, trash burning is commonplace. Not a problem, I blend right in. For plastic and other unburnable trash, I have enough land to bury it.
    Saw a video a couple years ago of a guy who is developing a small table-top unit that can turn plastic bottles and other such into fuel oil. Hopefully it will come to market for a decent price before SHTFday. I'll get one!
     
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