U.S. Target List...in a Full Scale Nuclear War

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  1. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Interesting. Includes nuclear targets.

    ALABAMA
    Primary:

    Gunter AFB (Montgomery), Maxwell AFB (Montgomery), Redstone Arsenal (Huntsville).

    Anniston, Birmingham, Selma, Mobile.

    Muscle Shoals, Gadsden, Childersburg, Tuscaloosa, Phenix City (Columbus GA.)

    ALASKA
    Primary:

    Warning Radar Network at Eielson AFB (Fairbanks), Elmensdorf AFB (Anchorage), Fort Richardson.

    Adak Island, Shermya Island (space radar), Clear (BMEWS radar)
    none

    ARIZONA
    Primary:

    Davis-Monthan AFB at Tucson (Titan missiles, area within a line con- necting Nogales, Cochise, Mammoth, Eloy, south to Mexican border), Luke AFB (Glendale), Marine Corps Air Station (Yuma), Williams AFB (Chandler), Yuma Proving Ground.

    Gilbert, Perryville.

    Phoenix

    ARKANSAS
    Primary:

    Little Rock AFB (Titan missiles, area within a line connecting Shirley, Newport, Des Arc, Little Rock, Russellville, Nogo, back to Shirley), Blytheville AFB (SAC bombers).
    Secondary:
    Pine Bluff, West Memphis (Memphis Tenn.)
    Tertiary:
    Fort Smith, Texarkana, Little Rock

    CALIFORNIA
    Primary:

    Alameda NAS, Castle AFB (Merced), Beale AFB (Marysville), Edwards AFB (Kern), El Toro (Santa Ana), George AFB (Victoryville), Hamilton AFB (Marin), March AFB (Riverside), Mather AFB (SAC bombers, Sacramento), McClellan AFB (Sacramento), Miramar NAS (San Diego), Norton AFB (San Bernardino), Oxnard AFB Point Mugu (Point Hueneme), Travis AFB (Fairfield), Vandenberg AFB (Lompoc).
    Secondary:
    San Francisco (area within a line connecting Pt. Reyes Station, St Hel- ena, Antioch, Palo Alto, Redwood City, and along the coast to Pt. Reyes Station again), San Jose, El Centro, China Lake, Camp Pendleton, Fort Ord, Twentynine Palms, Lemoore, Portola, Los Angeles (area within a line connecting Malibu, Camarillo, Lake Arrowhead, Perris, Laguna, and along the coast to Malibu again), Oro Grande, Oceanside, San Diego, Lathrope, Santa Barbara, Oxnard, Ventura, Thousand Oaks, Mt. Laguna, Mill Valley.
    Tertiary:
    Bakersfield, Barstow, Banning, Gilroy, Milford, Modesto, Monterey, Mojave, Sacramento, Santa Rosa, Stockton, Salinas, Fresno, Ridgecrest, Lancaster, Wrightwood, Yermo, Victorville, Warner Springs.

    COLORADO
    Primary:

    Colorado Springs (NORAD HQ.), Warren AFB Complex (Minuteman missiles, area within a line connecting Grover, Briggsdale, Fort Morgan, Sedgwick, and along state line to Grover again), Fort Carson.
    Secondary:
    Denver, Pueblo
    Tertiary:
    Aurora, Boulder, Cheraw, Greeley, Pueblo-Boone area, Broomfield, Rocky Flats (targer is 10 miles west of Sedalia).

    CONNECTICUT
    Primary:

    Brookley Field, Groten-New London.
    none
    Tertiary:
    Bristol, Bridgeport, Danbury, Hartford, New Haven, Norwalk, Stamford.

    DELAWARE
    Primary:

    Dover AFB
    Secondary: none
    Tertiary:
    Wilmington, Odessa, New Castle

    FLORIDA
    Primary:

    Cape Canaveral, Elgin AFB (Okalossa), Homestead AFB, Jacksonville NAS, Key West (Caribbean Joint Task Force), MacDill AFB (Tampa), Mayport (Jacksonville), Orlando AFB, Patrick AFB (Cocoa), St. Petersbutg NAS, Tyndall AFB (Panama City), McCoy AFB, Pensacola.
    Secondary:
    Miami.
    Tertiary:
    Port St. Joe, Tallahassee, Gainesville, Daytona Beach, Titusville, Sarasota, Ft. Myers, Palm Beach, Boca Raton, Fort Lauderdale.

    GEORGIA
    Primary:

    Warner-Robins AFB (SAC bombers, Macon), Dobbins AFB (Marietta), Fort Benning, Fort Stewart, King's Bay, Moody AFB, Atlanta.
    Secondary:
    Albany, Brunswick, Savannah.
    Tertiary:
    Augusta, Columbus, Stockbridge, Marietta.

    HAWAII
    Primary:

    Honolulu area (all of Oahu except Waimea-Kahuku area & Makapuu Point).
    Secondary: none
    ]Tertiary: none

    IDAHO
    Primary:

    Mountail Home AFB.
    Secondary: none
    *Tetiary:
    Boise

    ILLINOIS
    Primary:

    Chanute AFB (Rantoul), Scott AFB (Military Airlift Command HQ.,Belleville).
    Secondary:
    Chicago, East St. Louis, Springfield.
    Tertiary:
    Alton, Aurora, Bloomington-Normal, Champaign, Decatur, East Dubuque, Des Plaines, Freeport, Rockford, Zion, Moline, Peoria, Joliet, Elgin.

    INDIANA
    Primary:

    Grissom AFB (Stratotankers, Peru).
    Secondary:
    Crane, Jeffersonville (Louisville, Ky.)
    Tertiary:
    Anderson, Evansville, Fort Wayne, Gary, Elkhart, Indianapolis, Lafayette, Muncie, New Albany, South Bend, Terre Haute.

    IOWA
    Primary:
    none
    Secondary:
    Burlington, Sioux City.
    Tertiary:
    Cedar Rapids, Council Bluffs, Dubuque, Des Moines, Davenport, Waterloo.

    KANSAS
    Primary:

    McConnel AFB complex (Titan missiles, Stratotankers, area within a line connecting Eureka, Arlington, Attica, Caldwel, Arkansas City and back to Eureka again). Schilling AFB (Salina), Forbes AFB (Topeka).
    Secondary:
    Fort Riley, Olathe.
    Tertiary:
    Elwood (St. Joseph, MO.), Levenworth, Manhattan, Topeka, Kansas City, DeSoto.

    KENTUCKY
    Primary:
    none
    Secondary:
    Fort Campell (Christian), Fort Knox (Harkin), Louisville, Richmond.
    Tertiary:
    Covinton (Cincinnati, OH.), Henderson (Evansville IN.), Owensboro, Paducah.

    LOUISIANA
    Primary:

    Barksdale AFB (SAC bombers, Shreveport), England AFB (Alexandria).
    Secondary:
    Fort Polk (Leesvile), New Orleans.
    Tertiary:
    Baton Rouge, Sterlington, Monroe, Lade Charles, Lafayette, New Iberia.

    MAINE
    Primary:

    Loring AFB, Kittery (Pease AFB at Portsmouth, NH.).
    Secondary:
    Brunswick, Charleston, Franklin.
    Tertiary:
    Auburn, Bangor, Portland.

    MARYLAND
    Primary:

    Washington D.C., Camp David-Mt. Weather complex (Presidential survival and command post), Andrews AFB, Fort George Meade, Aberdeen Proving Ground.
    *Seconary:
    Baltimore-Washington D.C. area (everything within a line connecting Gaithersburg, Reisterstown, Bel Air, Aberdeen, Rock Hall, Annapolis, La Plata, Riverside and the Virginia state line)
    Tertiary:
    Lexington Park, Wheaton.

    MASSACHUSETTS
    Primary:

    Fall River, Fort Devin (Hyer), Otis AFB (Buzzards Bay), Westover AFB (area of Holyoke).
    Secondary:
    Boston, Springfield-Chicopee-Holyoke area.
    Tertiary:
    Fitchberg, Nantucket, New Bedford, Pawtucket (Providence, RI.) Lowell, Worcester.

    MICHIGAN
    Primary:

    Sawyer AFB (SAC bombers, Gwinn), Xinchelee AFB (SAC bombers, Sault Ste. Marie), Selfridge AFB (Mt. Clemens), Wurtsmith AFB (SAC bombers).
    Secondary:
    Detroit (area within a line connecting Pontiac, Ann Arbor, and Monroe east to state line).
    Tertiary:
    Alpens, Bay City, Battle Creek, Benton Harbor, Escanaba, Sault St. Marie, Midland, Saginaw, Muskegan, Flint area, Grand Rapids, Port Huron, St. Claire, Lansing, Kalamazoo, Jackson.

    MINNESOTA
    Primary:
    none
    Secondary:
    Minneapolis-St. Paul, Duluth.
    *Teriary:
    Anoke, Forest Lake, Rochester.

    MISSISSIPPI
    Primary:

    Columbus AFB.
    Secondary:
    Biloxi, Gulfport, Meridian.
    Tertiary:
    Jackson, Meridian Station, Pascagoula.

    MISSOURI
    Primary:

    Whiteman AFB complex ( Minuteman missiles, area within a line connecting Freeman, Richmond, Arrow Rock, California, Gravois Mills, Osceola, Stockton, Sheldon, Rich Hill, west to state line to Freeman again).
    Secondary:
    St. Louis, Kansas City, Fort Leonard Wood.
    Tertiary:
    Columbia, Springfield, St. Joseph.

    MONTANA
    Primary:

    Glascow AFB, Malmstrom AFB complex (Minuteman missiles, all area within a line connecting Devon, Highwood, a point 10 miles north of Winifred, Winnett, Melville, Neihart, Wolf Creek, Augusta, Ethridge, and back to Levon).
    Secondary: none
    Tertiary:
    Butte, Billings, Helena, Missoula.

    NEBRASKA
    Primary:

    Warren AFB complex (Minuteman missiles, all area southwest of a line connecting Henry, Oshkosh, and Chappell, to state line), Omaha (Offut AFB, SAC Headquarters).
    Secondary: none
    Tertiary:
    Dakota City (Sioux City, IA.), Lincoln.

    NEVADA
    Primary:

    Nellis AFB (Las Vegas).
    Secondary:
    Hawthorne.
    Tertiary:
    Fallon, Reno.

    NEW HAMPSHIRE
    Primary:

    Pease AFB (SAC bombers, Portsmouth), Portsmouth Harbor.
    Secondary: none
    Tertiary:
    Manchester, Nashua (and everything within 20 miles of Lowell, MA.).

    NEW JERSEY
    Primary:

    Fort Dix-McGuire AFB complex (Trenton-Wrightstown), Lakehurst NAS, Fort Monmouth, Perth Amboy.
    Secondary:
    McKee City, Philadelphia (area within 10 mjles of the Delaware River from Pennsville to Cherry Hill and within 15 miles of the river from Cherry Hill to Trenton), Rockaway (area east of a line from Franklin to Somerville to the state line), Trenton.
    Tertiary:
    Colt's Neck, Lakehurst, Long Branch, Middletown, Millville.

    NEW MEXICO
    Primary:

    Alamagordo, Cannon AFB (also area east to state line), Kirtland AFB, Walker AFB (Roswell), White Sands (Las Cruces).
    Secondary:
    Albuquerque.
    Tertiary:
    Gallup.

    NEW YORK
    Primary:

    Griffiss AFB (SAC bombers, Utica-Rome), Plattsburgh AFB (SAC bombers), Stewart AFB (Newburgh).
    Secondary:
    New York City area (all south of Stony Point and west of Stony Brook to state line), Buffalo, Syracuse, Watervliet.
    Tertiary:
    Albany, Binghamton, Brookshaven (Brookhaven National Laboratory), Schenectady, Troy, Rochester.

    NORTH CAROLINA
    Primary:

    Cherry Point (Havelock), Pope AFB (Fayetteville), Seymour-Johnson AFB (SAC bombers, Goldsboro).
    Secondary:
    Camp Lejeune, Fort Bragg (Fayetteville), Southport, Jacksonville-Midway Park area, Fort Fisher.
    Tertiary:
    Asheville (south to Henersonville), Carolina Beach, Charlotte, Durham, Graham, Greensboro, Morrisville, Raleigh, Wilmington, Winston-Salem.

    NORTH DAKOTA
    Primary:

    Grand Forks AFB complex (Minuteman missiles, area within a line con- necting Wahalla, Grand Forks, Tower City, Valley City, Devil's Lake, Sarles and the Canadian border), Minot AFB complex (Minuteman missiles, an area within a line connecting Westhope, Eckman, Minot, a point 15 miles south of Towner, Harvey, Mercer, a point 10 miles north of Beulah, Tioga, Portal, and the Canadian border. Danger area extends 10 miles into Canada between Sarles and Wahalla, and between Portal and Westhope).
    Secondary: none
    Tertiary:
    Grand Forks, Fargo.

    OHIO
    Primary:

    Lockbourne AFB (Rickenbacker AFB on some maps), Wright-Patterson AFB.
    Secondary:
    Cleveland, Youngstown-Warren area.
    Tertiary:
    Akron, Bellaire, Canton, Columbia, Dayton, Lima, Mansfield, Middletown, Miamisberg, Springfield, Steubenville, Windham, Toledo, Vandalia.

    OKLAHOMA
    Primary:

    Altus AFB, Clinton-Sherman AFB (Custer), Tinker AFB (Oklahoma City), Vance AFB (Enid).
    Secondary:
    Fort Sill (Lawton).
    Tertiary:
    El Reno, Tulsa, 10 miles southeast of McAlester, Oklahoma City.

    OREGON
    Primary:

    Adair AFB (Mulheur).
    Secondary:
    Portland, Mt. Hebo.
    Tertiary:
    Canby, Eugene, Klamath Falls, Madras, Salem.

    PENNSYLVANIA
    Primary:
    none
    Secondary:
    Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Harrisburg, Scranton, Willow Grove.
    Tertiary:
    Allentown, Altoona, Beaver, Bethlehem, Chester, Erie, Harrisburg, York, Johnstown, Lancaster, Natrona Heights, Mechanicsburg, Reading, Waynesboro.

    RHODE ISLAND
    Primary:
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    Secondary:
    Newport, Quonset Point.
    Tertiary:
    Providence, Westerly.

    SOUTH CAROLINA
    Primary:

    Charleston complex (submarine base, area east of Summerville between Goose Creek and Folly Beach), Myrtle Beach AFB, Shaw AFB.
    Secondary:
    Parris Island Marine Base.
    Tertiary:
    Aiken, Columbia, Greenville, Greer, Hardeeville (Savannah, Georgia), North Augusta.

    SOUTH DAKOTA
    Primary:

    Ellsworth AFB complex (Minuteman missiles, SAC bombers, entire area within a line connecting Albion, Montana to a point 10 miles north of Faith, Midland, point 10 miles south of Velvidere, Scenic, Sturgis, Spearfish, and along state line to Albion again).
    Secondary: none
    Tertiary:
    Rapid City, Sioux Falls.

    TENNESSEE
    Primary:
    none
    Secondary:
    Oak Ridge National Laboratory (Anderson), Memphis.
    Tertiary:
    Alcoa, Bristol, Chattanooga, Knoxville, Nashville, Signal Mountain.

    TEXAS
    Primary:

    Bergstrom AFB (Austin), Brooks AFB (San Antonio), Carswell AFB (SAC bombers, Fort Worth), Dyess AFB (SAC bombers, Abilene), Goodfellow AFB (San Angelo), Kelly-Lackland AFB (San Antonio), Laredo AFB, Laughlin AFB (Del Rio), Randolf AFB (Universal City), Reese AFB (Lubbock), Sheppard AFB (Wichita Falls), Webb AFB (Big Spring).
    Secondary:
    Beeville, Corpus Christi, Fort Bliss (El Paso), Fort Hood (Killeen), Houston, Kingsville, Sherman-Dennison, Texarkana.
    Tertiary:
    Alice, Beaumont, Brownsville, Bryan, Caddo Lake, Dallas, Freeport, Galveston, Harlington, Lake Jackson, Longview, McAllen, Midland, Odessa, Tyler, Waco.

    UTAH
    Primary:

    Hill AFB (Ogden).
    Secondary:
    Dugway Proving Ground (Chemical Warfare Center, Tooele).
    Tertiary:
    Salt Lake City, Orem-Provo.

    VERMONT
    Primary:
    none
    Secondary:
    Tertiary:

    Burlington.

    VIRGINIA
    Primary:

    Leadership bomb and fallout shelter (Mount Weather) Berryville, Washington D.C. area (see Maryland), Cape Charles AFB, Dulles Inter-national Airport, Langley AFB (Hampton), Norfolk-Portsmouth, Oceana NAS (Virginia Beach).
    Secondary:
    Richmond, Newport News, Mt. Vernon, Radford.
    Tertiary:
    Blackstone, Chincoteague, Ft. Eustis, Hopewell, Lynchberg, Manassas, Petersburg, Guantico, Roanoke, Yorktown.

    WASHINGTON
    Primary:

    Bremerton (submarine base), Fairchild AFB (SAC bombers, Spokane), McChord AFB (Tacoma).
    Secondary:
    Everett, Oak Harbor, Richland (Hanford reactor and storage complex), Seattle (naval complex, Tacoma (Ft. Lewis), Walla-Walla.
    Tertiary:
    Copalis Beach, Spokane, Vancouver.

    WEST VIRGINIA
    Primary:

    Leadership bomb and fallout shelter (Greenbrier Resort) White Sulphur Springs.
    Secondary: none
    Tertiary:
    Charleston, Cedar Grove, Huntington, Wheeling (area north of Moundsville).

    WISCONSIN
    Primary:
    none
    Secondary:
    Madison.
    Tertiary:
    Appletonc Eau Claire, Green Bay, Kenosha, Miquon, Milwaukee, Onalaska, Oshkosh, Racine, Superior, Waukesha.

    WYOMING

    Primary: Warren AFB (Minuteman missiles, area within a line connecting Cheyenne, Federal, point 10 miles northwest of Wheatland, Guernsey, and along the state line to Cheyenne again).
    Secondary: none
    Tertiary:
    Casper.


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    After having gone through this list, and viewing the above maps, remember one thing: Many U.S. target areas have been decommissioned or changed their original mission and may not be targeted now by foreign nations. Then, again....maybe they still ARE targeted. Just think about it when YOU are VERIFYING whether you are in a target area.
    I do have in PDF format a few more targeting documents, but I won't be posting them on an open page like this one. One is the first part of HI RISK AREAS of the UNITED STATES, dated 1978...the precurser to the Nuclear Attack Planning Base 1990 report (NAPB90) that consumed over 600 pages of paper. The other document worthy of noting on THIS page, is the NAPB90 National Aimpoint List, a strange document found via interlibrary loan directly from FEMA's Emergency Management Library, showing longitude and latitudes for MOST of the continental United States nuclear targets, which the US assumed would be targeted by Soviet or Chinese military in an all out nuclear war. Here is a sample page....

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    I will ONLY share these two documents with CERTIFIED public safety and emergency management officials. Neither of these documents are classified or confidential in any way, and were both received via interlibrary loan to my college library. Got something interesting to share along these lines? Email me, or send a message from the SurvivalRing homepage using the CONTACT ME form.

    Thanks for checking out this page, and "keep.....looking.....up....."

    Richard
    Founder - SurvivalRing
    http://www.survivalring.org/cd-targets.htm

    http://www.survivalring.org/FEMA196.pdf
     
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  2. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    This is important as well

    Trans-Pacific Fallout

    Fallout here from nuke use in
    Pakistan, India, Mid-East, Korea, Taiwan, China, Russia, etc.


    If nukes are ever used by any of the warring participants over there, we could soon be in deep trouble over here, too, * even if * in the unlikely event we had managed somehow not to get involved and it all ended as quick as it began.

    Few realize that shortly after any nuclear detonation anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere, we in the USA could be having their spent nukes radioactive fallout raining down on us here, too. Especially of concern, according to health physicists, will be plenty of thyroid contaminating radioactive iodine. All courtesy of the prevailing westerly trade winds blowing their nuclear fallout onto our shores a few days after any of them trade nuclear blasts with any of their neighbors.

    The Nuclear War Survival Skills book (by Oak Ridge National Laboratory, 1979, a Facility of the U.S. Department of Energy, Updated and Expanded 1987 Edition) details the above and shows where a single, and very small, above ground Chinese nuclear test explosion ("a few hundred kilotons") on December 28, 1966 resulted in the fallout cloud covering most of the United States.

    Cresson H. Kearny, the author of the above book, also states about this now declassifed incident:

    • "It produced fallout that by January 1, 1967 resulted in the fallout cloud covering most of the United States. This one Chinese explosion produced about 15 million curies of iodine- 131 - roughly the same amount as the total release of iodine- 131 into the atmosphere from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant disaster." "Fallout from the approximately 300 kiloton Chinese test explosion shown in Fig. 1 caused milk from cows that fed on pastures near Oak Ridge, Tennessee and elsewhere to be contaminated with radioiodine, although not with enough to be hazardous to health." "However, this milk contamination (up to 900 picocuries of radioactive iodine per liter) and the measured dose rates from the gamma rays emitted from fallout particles deposited in different parts of the United States indicate that trans-Pacific fallout from even an overseas nuclear war in which "only" two or three hundred megatons would be exploded could result in tens of thousands of unprepared Americans suffering thyroid injury."

    • "Perhaps the first nuclear war casualties in the United States will be caused by fallout from an overseas nuclear war in which our country is not a belligerent. As the number of nations with nuclear weapons increases - especially in the Middle East - this generally unrecognized danger to Americans will worsen."

    • "Trans-Pacific war fallout, carried to an America at peace by the prevailing west-to-east winds that blow around the world, could be several hundred times more dangerous to Americans than fallout from the worst possible overseas nuclear power reactor accident, and many times more dangerous than fallout from a very improbable U.S. nuclear power reactor accident as lethal as the disastrous Chernobyl accident was to Russians."
    The following Declassified Fallout Map of the USA from this Chinese nuke fallout and a free on-line copy of the complete 280 page Nuclear War Survival Skills book are at the FAQ. (This book also covers and details preparations for much more than just the threat of radioiodine fallout, too.)

    [​IMG] Also, commenting on the world health effects a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan would create, for example, Dr. Henry Kendall of the Union of Concerned Scientists said in October of 1999:
    "It would be very similar to Cherynobl. But it could be on a substantially larger scale."

    See the Potassium Iodide Anti-Radiation Pill FAQ for more details on the health concerns of radioactive iodine, especially to our children, and for lists and links to all known available formulations of radioiodine protective KI and KIO3 tablets, and you'll also see why about.com says the FAQ is the...

    "In-depth, detailed site totally dedicated to the Potassium Iodide issue.
    THE central resource on the topic."
    Bottom Line:

    • [*]Most developed nations have already stockpiled KI or KIO3 tablets to protect their citizens from radioiodine, but the USA has only just begun. (They've been talking about it though for over 20 years! Ever since TMI!)
      [*]However, at this time, we can all still get it as a non-prescription for our own personal family protection.
      [*]That is, at least, until there's an 'incident' somewhere in the world because after Three Mile Island and Chernobyl all available KI and KIO3 supplies disappeared for months, almost overnight!
    - Shane Connor
    FAQ author and
    Proud FreeRepublic member 'shanec' since 1998! P.S. - See/read the

    WHAT TO DO WITH LESS THAN 3 DAYS TO A NUCLEAR DISASTER!

    For when the country is ever in a panic again, like the 'Cuban Missile Crisis', you'll need this guide!
     
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  3. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Well, from the above info pretty well looks like we would be a grease spot here seeing how we are only about 15-20 miles from Whitman AFB. Oh well, dont figure theres ANYPLACE thats safe from everything.
     
  4. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    I'm toast.....:mad:

    At least I don't need to worry about transpacific fallout.... :D

    Hmmmm.... take one off of a list that is just too long these days....:cool:
     
  5. TailorMadeHell

    TailorMadeHell Lurking Shadow Creature

    Yay. San Fran made it onto the CA target list as Number 1 secondary target. Whoo hoo. I feel special. Does that mean that when the time comes I will get that new 'Glow In The Dark' effect? :D

    I don't know about the line, though I do know that we have a UN building here and it will most definitely be a target. I just hope there's some kind of warning enough for me to tuck my head between my legs and kiss my butt goodbye. Haha.

    If I go in the blast, I'm haunting all those bomb-jockeys and everyone responsible. Then I'll go around scaring the daylights out of any foreign troops I find on American soil. Then I'm coming to each and everyone one of you guys fallout shelter and expect milk and cookies. :D

    If there is a slight warning, I'm thinking maybe I'll take a swim. Go to the water and dive in and keep going down for a couple minutes and hopefully have enough to keep the radiation off of me. Then I'll come back up and grab any remaining gear I have and hide in some basement until the fallout stops falling. Then I'll grab my gear, a nice ride and haul butt. Anyone care for a visitor? Hahaha.

    Oh, and by the way. The Golden Gate isn't golden. It's orange. Wonder why they didn't call it the Orange Gate when it does in fact lead to Fruitville. :D
     
  6. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    They don’t mention Umatilla Chemical weapons depot near Hermiston , I would think that would be a great target in Oregon , miles and miles of humps with Chemical weapons in it! a huge stock pile.
     
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  7. ghostrider

    ghostrider Resident Poltergeist Founding Member

    That is an OLD list, many of those bases have been closed for years.
     
  8. TailorMadeHell

    TailorMadeHell Lurking Shadow Creature

    I also see that there is a base missing from the Mississippi list. I am not stating it for tactical reasons, as some idjut might put it on their 'bases to hit' list. Though if they go by that list then over half the targets are worthless. There is enough to do damage, though not to wipe out the forces.

    I truly wonder what their targetting selections are, as far as pre-plotted warheads and not dirty bombs. Wonder if they target just military bases capable of retatliating, nuke storage and other hard targets. Maybe they will actually target fault lines instead. Maybe major power and water centers. Maybe cropfields. There are so many things that they could try to do. And without a look into the mind of the madness there is not a bit of telling.

    Maybe they'll be dumb enough to try and cause 'extra' damage by attacking nuke power plants. Haha. On a scale of crappy to downright dastardly, that choice would be crappy. Though they may be a tad smarter than that. I'm hoping not. If you are wondering why, it's real simple. Besides the first nuke that hits the power plant and kills whomever, the leakage (If they can even crack them open) will be nil compared to the initial attack. They could vent the plants now and have a team to close them up in no time. It's not like threemile island anymore. They can construct shields to place over the reactors to contain the radiation and then that would be it. Of course there is no playing in that zone, it just wouldn't add to the original blast and damage.

    Just makes you wonder what they will target. Using China as a reference point. I think Russia would attack DC (Home of the capitalists). Iran would attack DC and maybe try to break NORAD and maybe our silos. China, they would most likely be the most pointed and attack all targets of a certain kind unless they have a program to the madness. Hope they don't try to take out all different types of targets I have mentioned. That would surely be a great inconvenience. Who knows what those communists would do. Crazy people. Just my thoughts.
     
  9. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I would imagine that aside from possibly some headed to the military bases the majority would mostlikely be upper atmosphere detonations to increase the effects of the EMPs and fall out. An EMP created from high detonation would do a lot more wide spread cripleing damage than a ground detonation since the area effected would be so much larger and NOTHING electronig from your phone to your watch to your car or most anything else made in the last 50 years or more would work then add the fall out causing the radiation poisoning and such and its most likely that any of the larger nuclear powers could blanket us from cost to coast with EMP and fallout so specific targets may not be so much of a concern anyway. Just my thoughts/guess.
     
  10. ghostrider

    ghostrider Resident Poltergeist Founding Member

    Has to be a ground burst to produce fallout. The fallout is dirt and dust, kicked high into the atmosphere by the blast. And, since the major effect of a conventional nuclear device is blast, the only reason to detonate at ground level and lose most of the yield as blast effects is fallout.

    EMP effects have become almost an urban legend with their abilities to destroy anything electronic for thousands of miles. For a electromagnetic pulse to destroy all electronics is voodoo science at best, it defies the same theories it says it draws on. Any properly grounded and shielded-Faraday's Shield- electronics will survive an EMP. Michael Faraday was an English scientist that did a lot of experimentation on electricity. He discovered induction, and the unit of capacitance-the Farad was named for him. Faraday's shield was a metal barrier that stopped radio waves, interference, and can be found in all, or almost all electronics, as the metal case.
     
  11. ghrit

    ghrit Old, mean, and nasty Administrator Founding Member

    EMP is most assuredly not a myth. The popular concept is, however, grossly overblown so far as commercial and personal devices are concerned. On the other hand, some military applications are extremely sensitive, and shielding is taken to great lengths to ensure that some of the equipment, however physically robust, is protected against the least little electromagnetic jarring. I believe, but do not know, that the average automobile computer control system will not be affected significantly unless well within the kill zone of a nuke.

    As with all things electromagnetic (including light and non-particulate radiation) the effects diminish as the cube of the line of sight distance between the origin of the pulse and the target object.

    Sure would like to see some research results on the like of car computers and other commercial and personal stuff, tho'.

    GR is completely correct about Farday's sheilding. The devil (as always) is in the details. It is relatively easy to shield against radio waves, which are longer in wavelength than light and non particulate nuclear radiation. Faraday proved the concept, and later experimenters established that you could shield against some wavelengths using screens rather than solid sheets. The shorter the wave length, the tighter the weave had to be, and so forth until for the very short wavelengths, a solid sheet was required simply because making a screen with that fine a weave was not economically practical. Not only that, but for the extremely short wave lengths, any penetrations (say for wires) thru the shield require special attention, as leakage can and will occur. Several military and research applications require doors with interlocking and grounded conductors around the perimeter to block stray electromagnetic waves from any source.

    Check your microwave. It is shielded against escape of microwave energy, but you can see thru the window. Those little holes in the screen effectively shield you against cooking your innards while waiting for your cuppa to heat. Those little holes are way smaller than the wavelength of the microwaves, or the waves would slither thru and possilbly boil last night's dinner in your intestines. (Microwave shielding also reflects the waves back into the cavity to prevent wasting the energy outside the cooking volume.)
     
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2014
  12. ghostrider

    ghostrider Resident Poltergeist Founding Member

    Probably everybody has heard static on their radio during a lightning storm, a common form of EMP. Many electronics have a isolated ground, isolated from the chassis ground to guard them from high voltage from a lightning strike. A car computer is shielded, to prevent interference with your radio.

    I thought of the microwave door example, just forgot to include it. The holes are too small for the 2 GHz waves to slip through.

    How many countries have tested thermonuclear devices in the last few years? Israel, India, Pakistan? Some of these were open-air.
     
  13. poacher

    poacher Monkey+++ Founding Member

    I knew I had seen the maps that E.L. posted before somewhere and after doing some digging I found them. Joel Skousen has the top two maps in his book "Strategic Relocation" The book was done in 1998 but I will say it still has a lot of solid info in it. It also covers a lot more than just nuke stuff. Not a bad buy for a reference guide.
    Take care Be safe Poacher.
     
  14. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Thats interesting on the EMP and microwave... I had read somewhere... might have been here... that in a pinch... you could shove your electronics that would fit in the microwave to protect it from EMP... concept being if it cant get out ... it can't get in....

    I've got two old SSB,SB,SW,LW, MW vacuum tube recievers... Hallicrafters and Grundig.... cool stuff... with antennas that aren't too noticeable.... oh and spare parts and tubes.... can't talk... but at least I can hear if there's anything out there to hear.... nice.... at night I can hear stations in the far east as well of continental....
     
  15. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I guess I won't be throwing away my old microwaves when I get a new one. Good ideas abound. :)
     
  16. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    I'd certainly like to know what the heck in my hometown is a threat....
     
  17. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    With the prevailing east winds that blow through there, a large majority of the population could be screwed. Better hope it's not a blowing your way if it happened. Trojan isn't on the list either.
     
  18. ghostrider

    ghostrider Resident Poltergeist Founding Member

    Turn them off, unplug when not in use, and keep a couple of rolls of aluminum foil in your survival stuff. Wrapping your stuff in aluminum foil will do the same thing.
     
  19. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Good to know on the EMP stuff and the Farada cages. My understanding was that in the event of a significan EMP it killed anything not in a cage and that the cages had to be all around the stuff with the electronics insulated from the cage its self and the cage well grounded. I knew back in the 80s when I first got around PCs at school they always warned us to ground before touching the computers because much static electricity build up, at least they claimed, could fry the computer if you touched it and got a good spark like you do a lot of times when you grab a door knob, so I figured a lot of the micro electronics would be similarly weak.
     
  20. ghostrider

    ghostrider Resident Poltergeist Founding Member

    Like Ghrit said, it decreases with distance. With a conventional nuclear device, most of the yield is blast, then radiation. The circle that shows blast effects is bigger for a conventional, the neutron bomb was the opposite, having a larger radiation circle than blast circle. The EMP is much worse within the blast radius, which may be a moot point. If the blast blew your car off the road, you probably got heavy enough a dose of gamma ray radiation you only have an hour or so to live. Whether your car radio works at that point is just a moot point.

    That's the current draw that the junction size of the micro electronics is not designed to carry.
     
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