"We'll Come to YOUR House"

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by melbo, Jan 9, 2007.

  1. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

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    No Helping Hand

    Kim du Toit
    January 6, 2007
    7:00 AM

    I thought I’d share with you an email exchange I had recently with Reader Jim K. from the Seattle area:
    Years ago, I was a FFL firearms dealer. I was Clintoned out of my license (that’s another story), but I still have leftover inventory including an unopened crate of semi-auto AK-47s.

    Recently, four young families moved up here to Washington state after making small fortunes in the California real estate boom. These people are all friends of a friend so I run into them frequently. They are all liberal, but not of the raving moonbat type. None of them are anti-gun, but neither are they much interested in fireams.

    Last summer I mentioned to several of these Silicon Valley escapees that I had a crate of AKs (I love doing this - the reactions are usually interesting). One guy responded with something like ”when things get bad, we’re coming to your house.” He said this as a joke so I did not think much of it.

    Partially due to recent events (Katrina, the Indian ocean tidal wave) and following your and Instapundit’s suggestions, I have created an emergency “abandon house” kit and also stored several months worth of unperishable food. I have also urged my friends and family to do the same. Most have, to some degree.

    Recently I was at a party with these four families present. I was encouraging them to make their own emergency kits and store food. Also, I described my efforts in this area. Once again someone made the “when things get bad we’re coming to your house” statement. This time it was not a joke.
    They seemed to believe that I would feed and protect them in dangerous times; almost as if it was my responsibility to do so.
    This pissed me off. I did not slap down the idiot because I really was trying to get these people to become riflemen and prepare for emergencies. I said nothing. Yelling at them would not help, but I don’t know how I should have responded. What would you recommend?
    Well, you all can guess my response:
    Tell ‘em straight: “You come to my house, you’re going to get chased off. It’s not MY responsibility to look after you; it’s YOUR responsibility to look after yourselves.”
    Then offer to show them how to shoot, on the condition that they buy their own guns—NOT your AKs, but other guns—and offer to help them buy their guns.

    If they refuse all that, tell them that they’d better pray that disaster doesn’t strike, because you’re NOT going to help them—you have enough on your plate just to look after your own family.
    And about a week later, I got this back from him:
    On Christmas Eve I went to a party where the four liberal families I previously discussed were present, and followed your advice. After bringing up the emergency kit issue again, lots of people complained and teased me (in a good natured way) but as expected, the ”we’ll just come to your house” meme reared its ugly head. I stated, as you suggested, that I would *NOT* help them in an emergency unless they first took measures to help themselves. This did not go over well. Much argument followed. The net result:

    1) I am no longer welcome at any of the four homes (no great loss).

    2) I am now morally equivalent to Hitler and George Bush.

    3) One woman called me a potential child molester (I’m not sure of the logic, but it had something to do with not helping her starving kiddies when the world goes whacky).

    4) Republicans are evil, therefore, I am evil (being a Libertarian, this seemed a bit unfair, but the finer points of political philosophy were lost in the debate).

    5) Another woman (a hardcore feminist) screamed “I’ll call the police!! Hoarding in an emergency is just wrong. You won’t get away with it.”

    6) The case of home brew ale I brought to the party was consumed (even some liberals have good taste in beer).

    7) It was the females who did most of the ranting about my vile character and lack of moral fiber. They also had the worst potty mouths.

    8) As I was leaving (actually, “kicked out” ) one of the guys said, with complete sincerity: “If things get bad, I really hope you’ll help us out.” I said nothing, just shook my head and left.

    On the plus side, one guy asked me for help concerning firearms. We will be heading to the local range in a few weeks. Even more spiffy (spiffier? of greater spiffyness?), a city politician at the party told me that the city was also making plans for a disaster situation which included stored food, medicine and fuel, neighborhood leadership organizations, a volunteer emergency police force made up of armed citizens, a “sudden lack of resources to investigate shot looter issues” and a “flying sanitation training squad”, among other things.

    For the first time, I feel semi-good about my city government. They are still tax-swilling scum, but at least they have the foresight to prepare for bad times. Furthermore, I am now offically part of the emergency police force. In an emergency I suspect a shovel will be more useful than a revolver, but I plan on carrying both.

    Thank you for the advice. Using it was educational and entertaining.
    My only comment, after re-reading this prior to posting it, is that I would have suggested, in the friendliest manner possible, that “Anyone attempting to storm my house to get at the supplies will be shot—present company included.”

    What a bunch of d***s: but of course, considering the heritage of this bunch, not entirely unexpected. I am also not surprised that the women took the greatest umbrage at our Reader’s position—but I’ll bet that their husbands, if they are men at all, will be making quiet plans to set up a SHTF box or two in the not-too-distant future. Good grief: they’re Californians; one would think, given the earthquake situation in California, that this would be a group quite familiar with the concept of preparing for disaster.

    But hey… if they don’t wake up and make preparations, then it’s just a Darwin situation. That would be doubleplus spiffy.

    Incidentally, I had a brief RCOB at the suggestion that SHTF preparedness could be characterized as “hoarding” by the Unprepared. Reader Jim should count himself well rid of them. Socialist pricks.
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  2. ozarkgoatman

    ozarkgoatman Resident goat herder

    This is why you never ever tell anyone what you have, never. When someting happens you play dumb sheeple. Never brag about what you have people will remeber when disaster strikes and will head to your house.

  3. TailorMadeHell

    TailorMadeHell Lurking Shadow Creature

    My supplies consist of a jar of peanut butter, bottle of water, box of saltines and a butter knife. I'm set. Yay. Who wants to visit? Haha.

    True. A misquoted yet useful line, 'You stock it, they will come'.

    After all, if you brag about all the goodies you have, and say that you won't help them out as they didn't 'have time' to prepare, then you will be equated on ranks of Satan. People are lazy and this needs to be pushed out of the gene pool whether by breeding or disaster. I don't really care much as it just needs to go.
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    watch these citizen response groups, they may ask for a list of your"community" resources as posted elsewhere here.
    Man these
    "we're just gonna go to your house folks" got some nerve!! Especvially the anti -"Hoarding lady".. tell-em I've got a community suppliesbox set aside for y'all: It's full frozen spinach, er at least, it was frozen when I put it... in there last week!!

    This is a scary post, I always figured we'd see this, but vehement "you better share or we'll call the cops and take it", is over the top from neighbors...
    Like your gonna welcome this stupid liberal hag now...
    He's comitted himself to at least one gunfight there...
    "entitlement" hmmmff...block party at"my" house??? Yes Friends and neighbors its time for the 870 mombo...
  5. TailorMadeHell

    TailorMadeHell Lurking Shadow Creature

    'Hey bub, something wrong with my sense of entitlement?' Sheesh.

    I can see that one coming. He's gonna have to watch out for that. Might have to shoot a few of them as they will be trying to 'loot'.

    With these type you will have a major problem of being overrun. They will tell others that have that sense of entitlement that you have food and they will band together like rats and attack just to get to your supplies. And what if you die in the process? Oh well, he was an 'evil, hoarding pedo' anyways.

    'I know nufink. The gov will take care of me. I have no supplies. Since you have the sense of entitlement, I'm coming to your house. I want to be there when royalty rolls in and gives you food.' Haha.

    Don't brag about anything and don't show your hold cards. It can literally be bad for your health in a situation like that.

    Might I suggest that guy had his supplies in his shed and his shed 'burned' down?

    Crazy thoughts. Haha.
  6. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    This person committed an unforgiveable sin..... tried to help neighboring sheeple.

    In a serious crisis situation now, Kim's preparations will be for nothing. If a neighbor or group of them doesn't take the supplies, then they will get someone who will.

    “I’ll call the police!! Hoarding in an emergency is just wrong. You won’t get away with it.”

    That breed of humanity is past my brains ability to grasp..... but not past my crosshairs ability to target.
  7. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    Time to move and get new neighbors!
  8. kckndrgn

    kckndrgn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Yup, I agree, time to move. Get new neighbors and keep your mouth shut. When you find a like minded individual you may, or may not, want to let them know of some of your abilities, should the SHTF.

  9. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Some of us here have mentioned what we have on hand, and what skills we possess, and in the main, if one of us showed up at another member of the tribe's places, chances are good we would not be turned away. Having said that, it is good advice to keep one's yap firmly closed over one's teeth until the lay of the land can be finessed out of the aquaintance. Those of us that live in close proximity to neighbors must be especially careful how we hold our cards. To Jim K., I'd say get the hell out of Dodge forthwith, leave no forwarding address, and hie himself to a place where lost is a good discription. His cat is out of the bag.

    This "Community Resource" business bothers me tremendously, that sort of database is too easy to use for immoral/illegal/corrupt purposes. All I'll admit to is my professional talent if/when that question gets asked. Not even that when I retire, just an old fart that lives _____________.:mad:
  10. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I hate sheeple.That guy screwed himself, but moving is a good suggestion. You just know that those idiots are going to come running when things get bad...and turn him in most likely. That's regardless of whether he helps them or not. Remember Nazi Germany when the people turned each other in just for favorable treatment, and used children to spy.Like another person already stated: Keep it to yourself, never let anybody in your neighborhood know what you have.
  11. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Jeez, I just read that again.
    I missed the fact that the four families are communists.

    Why even talk to these people to begin with? This guy should know that communists always want other people's stuff, and demand the government to get it for them -it's their essence of class struggle. Liberal commies. Man. I am surprised this guy went through the trouble of attending the party.
  12. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    "moved from Kalifonia" should have let him know to shut the yap. To think one would be called a hoarder when they are simply preparing and for bad times is a joke. If bad times hit, it will be each man for himself...especially if they never had a plan.
  13. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

  14. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    “I’ll call the police!! Hoarding in an emergency is just wrong. You won’t get away with it.”
    I would have loved to taunt her asking "Why do you think anyone will be at police headquarters they will be staying home protecting their families."..beeeotcsch..
  15. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    His site lost me at the carry bag:

    Am I the only one here who's thinking battery-powered entertainment devices are not worth my pack space/bag weight?:rolleyes:

    Perhaps I'm just too simplistic by nature. [winkthumb] I'm okay with that.:love:

    It's too bad he experienced this type of reaction, but not surprising (and, especially from the women-folk. [nono] They can be mouthy:mad:). If he's not moving, at least he knows what's in store for him.
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  16. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    Nah, I'm with ya Tracy. If I can handle another couple pounds in my pack, I figure ammuniton or food wins out over a gameboy.

    Maybe he figures he'll need entertainment while waiting in line at the government shelter.
  17. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Ok, just to point out a flip side here. There could also be advantages to discussing preperations (to an extent) withothers who have not been preping. The most optomisticbeing that they may figure out that its a good idea and start getting some basics together, especialy when they find out they wont be getting a free ride from you. Besides, if you are prepaired then it is likely to show after SHTF anyhow when you are not starving or strugleing. Then there is also another point where it could serve you well. Say you are bringing it up to a dentist, a Dr., a rancher, or someone else that either has skills or goods that would be VERY useful to you post SHTF. If they dont decide to get prepaired ahead of time then, as long as they understand they get to carry their weight in other ways if they arent bringing their own supplies, then it may be very welome for them to show up in bad times.

    As far as the one who was gonna call the cops, thats when you just tell her that you never said you wouldnt invite the sherif over for a hot meal, and that HE might be welcome since he could at least be useful. lol
  18. jim

    jim Monkey+++ Founding Member

    I read what was posted as a quote of a government law that basically said that any food/supplies beyond "immediate needs" is legally hoarding and a crime punishable by confiscation and jail. Who defines what immediate needs are is probably FEMA, or the local socialist politician. At any rate, it doesn't look good if you have anything.

  19. kckndrgn

    kckndrgn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Hmm, if the guberment is the one that says "you are hoarding" then I guess it's time to start "concealing" supplies. Hidden rooms and such. Only let a 2-3 month supply be known and visible. And keep that the stuff you wouldn't mind loosing, or giving away to appease the gov. Keep the good stuff hidden.

    Hmm, time to start building my dream house complete with hidden store room :)

  20. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    The question with this, and with those that refuse to prepare is this: "How many lives are you willing to give up to get my stuff?"

    For my family and a few friends, they are welcome anytime, we will make do. I keep extra with exactly that thought in mind. I have told them though, bring what food you can. Don't get me wrong, I try to be charitable. During the holidays we had a lady come to our home asking for food, money, anything we could give her. She said she had a younger child, and she was here because her mother was dying in a nursing home in town. My wife thought she looked like a crackhead (I didn't see her) but we gave her $20, a bunch of canned goods, ravioli, beans, ramen noodles, etc. and some stuffed animals and dolls for her daughter for Christmas (that again we didn't see). My wife told her where the nearest churches were and advised her to go there for help. I don't mind helping anyone, but we also kept an eye out for the next couple of days just in case she was there to case out our house. It sounds bad, but you can't be too carefull. That is what I was thinking each night as I checked to make sure our doors were locked, and that the shotty and .45 close to me were loaded. It even reminded us to go over our "what if" scenarios. That being said, in a true SHTF time, those people are going to be turned away, with little or nothing. It's a hard thought. That's the way it is though. My family, my friends they come first.
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