I see a lot of threads ( not just this forum ) on govt going door to door to take your guns or food, or whatever, or how many bullets they are buying up, or stuff about the UN sending in 'peace keeping' troops, blah, blah, blah. Bottom line, I don't think any of that will happen, at least on any large scale. There simply isn't the manpower if folks resist, and the other problem is exactly what happened in Katrina......the local cops pretty much abandoned their posts to go take care of their own families, so they had to "import" cops/NG from outside the affected area. Should a national or world calamity hit, my guess it they will have trouble getting enough guardsmen to show up to justify turning the lights on in the armory, much less fielding an effective force. I'd also imagine even in the regular armed forces that is going to be a major problem. Jet planes and 'black' helicopters don't run without a WHOLE LOT of ground support. (I used to be a part of that....I know it takes 4 hours of maintenance for each 1 hour of flying time in a helicopter) People's natural inclination is to take care of their own first, and their 'job' second. Just human nature. So, what does justify some worry and reflection ? In my humble opinion, it's Bubba. Bubba is the guy that lives next door, or down the road...even if down the road is 10 miles from you. Bubba can be several kinds of guys. He can be a guy that is making it just fine right now, lives in a fairly nice house, seems like a regular, friendly kinda guy, or he can be a slob living in a ramshackle place, barely getting by with a hit/miss job and food stamps......or something between. The one thing Bubba's have in common is they don't look ahead. Bubba spends his disposable income on toys, vacations, excessive consumption of alcohol/weed/etc, or any number of things. Bubba has never given much thought to the fact things might change, and doesn't have more than a few meals in his house. Bubba also has the feeling ( and he may or may not every express it ) that if things got tough, the govt would and SHOULD help him, and he wouldn't have a lick of problem with the govt taking from you to provide for him and his ( heck, whole lot of them are already living that life ).....all in the name of "fair". And Bubba is the kind of guy that IF the govt/Red Cross/church fails to provide, and he thinks you have stuff and he doesn't, YOU should provide for him and his......in the name of being "fair". He also has a rusty 30-30 in the closet and half a box of shells left from that time he went deer hunting with the boys ( and decided that was too much like work, plus there was no ESPN out there ), and when Bubba's brood get's to hollering they are hungry, he isn't above coming to shoot one of your cows/goats/etc, or slip up at night and steal a few chickens ( hey....you've got plenty, and won't miss a couple ), or slip in your garden at night, or finally, confront you with that 30-30, or worse, simply ambush you from the treeline, then take what he wants. I've got a couple of "Bubba's" that I already know of. One of them, the oldest boy was telling my neighbor one day ( who told me ) that "daddy has a whole lot of guns, and if times get rough, he's going to Andy's and take". This particular Bubba is a slob that lives in a ramshackle house, works as little as he can, runs his mouth as much as he can, and may simply BE all mouth. But he is also ex-marine, and I do know he has weapons. Another one of my Bubba's invited another neighbor to "join his group"......a group that has nothing BUT weapons, and whose stated survival plan is to simply TAKE. Again, this MAY well be just talk....but often even bluster has some basis in truth. One answer, of course, it OPSEC....sure, that helps....but if you have a field with cattle, and a chicken house, and solar panels, the Bubba's KNOWS you got stuff....he doesn't need to inventory your pantry or basement or gun safe to confirm it. If you've lived in the same area for a long time, people KNOW who is worth a crap and who isn't. People KNOW stuff about you that you don't even suspect they know......so don't simply say OPSEC like you're Rawles living out on some "un-named river" well away from everybody and their cousin......I bet even Rawles' local Bubba's know more about him and his place than he would like......because there is: The electric guy, the propane guy, the guy that brings gravel for you driveway ( and says "wow, never would have guessed THIS was up this holler" ), the UPS guy, the FEDEX guy, the mailman, the paper guy, material delivery guys, and so on and so on......lots and lots of NON-GOVT type folks know where you are and have some idea what you have. So you can OPSEC all you want.....and it will help....but the Bubba's have a 'radar' for finding folks that have stuff. Some folks say "Yeah, that's one reason I'm bugging out". Some survival stories have the BO (Buggers Out) frantically loading up their BOV (bug out vehicle) and nearly driving over the neighborhood Bubba(s) on the way down the street, fleeing to their BOL (bug out location). Problem with BO is: 1. When do you finally decide it's time to BO. 2. HOW do you afford a remote place on an "un-named river" ( ahahahahaa ), complete with all the infrastructure, tools, supplies, etc, you need. 3. How do you know the Bubba up at the BOL isn't already scoping you out ? No, bugging out for most people isn't an option. And most BO are simply going to be REFUGEES, again, IMHO. Read David Crawford's (Halffast) short story entitled "The Bug Out" if you want to get an idea of what happens with the BO's meet the Bubba's of the world....and how a whole lot of BO's are gonna end up. http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/...l&s=88bff5dd562c513dedf67314f7e2341f& THUS, my question, at long last, is WHAT do you plan to do about Bubba ? If it's just you, wife and maybe a few kids, HOW do you plan to defend against what, again, IMHO, is going to be your most likely security issue if times get really rough ? And what are you doing now in the way of prep for Bubba ? I've got some thoughts, and preps, and maybe "preventive measures", but I'd sure like to hear other folks thoughts on this issue, if you have thought about it.....or had nightmares about it.