Where NOT to be when the SHTF

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  1. Silversnake

    Silversnake Silverback

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  2. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Sweet, it looks like Michigan is bleeding! Hopefully they will have expired prior to SHTF and don't turn into zombie. Gawd I hate Zombies.
  3. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    It is an interesting map but I wonder where the spread will be. What I mean is people will empty from the cities. Which wayt are they most likely to head. Example: NY, NJ, MA, CT will be a brutal place to be. Will the majority head Westward to escape or will the go East to VT, NH & ME?

    I was surprised by the dots in Montana and Idaho. I figure Boise would have some issues but the one further up? that is odd. Northern Idaho is different from Southern ID. Or at least that is what I have been told.
  4. Silversnake

    Silversnake Silverback

  5. Silversnake

    Silversnake Silverback

    The dots only represent gun deaths since Sandy Hook as presented by the Huffington Post, so take that for what it's worth. It does provide an inference to the baseline violence in those communities.
  6. ditch witch

    ditch witch I do stupid crap, so you don't have to

    If it happens between October-February, my money is on them heading south for warmer climates.
  7. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    If it's winter. They won't make it out of the city.
  8. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    The northern Idaho Dot, is really just an expansion of the Spokane, Wa Dot.... Not many folks are really going to bug out to northern Idaho, that are not already there...
  9. KAS

    KAS Monkey+++

    here is the problem with north Idaho and Skokane Wa.
    If it is not still it was at one time the meth capitoal of the US ... so there is a lot of strung out rednecks in the area....
  10. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    I love how they gun deaths, they imply but I would like to see the breakdown. I know that most gun deaths in CO are from suicide, elder, white, male. That is a true fact. So I guess if Kas is correct on the meth activities in Spokane/N Idaho then the dot there would make sense. Guns and drugs don't mix.
  11. KAS

    KAS Monkey+++

    Of course im rite im always right write....

    JOKE hahah lol
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  12. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Good map if you were trying to identify a safer zone to live in but then you add in all the other negatives to an area, in some ways there may not be anywhere truly safe from all SHTF issues. Unless of course you have that sweet spread out in the middle of nowhere- just have to watch out for them mad cow's. All that you can do is plan and prep for all contingencies- including the Zombies @VisuTrac :D

    And by the way @KAS, Spokane has a large homeless population that may be strung out on meth..... but leave us rednecks out of it....;)
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  13. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    If you own 4 types of duct tape...... you might be a red neck! :D I was a redneck, actually I still wear flannel, couldn't imagine life without it.
  14. KAS

    KAS Monkey+++

    yea what esle would u were to church but flannel..???

    I have a complete set of 5 salad bowls that all say coolwhip...
  15. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Those of us on the left coast would like that very much, we do not need any more immigrants. ;)
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  16. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Yeah, one might want to avoid Northern Idaho as alternative, if they are not already there. I hear some might not be too friendly to outsiders and might have plans for a citadel.

    The Citadel, Idaho Survivalist Town Proposed By Gun Company, Looks To Break Tradition Of Failure

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    ST. MARIES, Idaho — A group of survivalists wants to build a giant walled fortress in the woods of the Idaho Panhandle, a medieval-style city where residents would be required to own weapons and stand ready to defend the compound if society collapses.
    The proposal is called the Citadel and has created a buzz among folks in this remote logging town 70 miles southeast of Spokane, Wash. The project would more than double the population of Benewah County, home to 9,000 souls.
    Locals have many questions, but organizers so far are pointing only to a website billing the Citadel as "A Community of Liberty."
    "There is no leader," Christian Kerodin, a convicted felon who is a promoter of the project, wrote in a brief email to The Associated Press. "There is a significant group of equals involved ... each bringing their own professional skills and life experiences to the group.
    "It is very much a `grass-roots' endeavor,'" Kerodin wrote, declining to provide any additional details.
    Such communities are hardly new, especially in northern Idaho, which has long been a magnet for those looking to shun mainstream society because of its isolation, wide-open spaces and lack of racial diversity. For three decades, the Aryan Nations operated a compound about an hour north of here before the group went bankrupt and the land was sold.
    Then came another community known as "Almost Heaven," founded in 1994 by Green Beret-turned-"patriot" movement leader Bo Gritz for those wanting a refuge from urban ills and Y2K concerns. That project crumbled when large numbers of buyers failed to move to the development, located 100 miles to the south.
    The number of so-called patriot groups has grown since President Barack Obama was first elected, and the renewed debate over gun control is further deepening resentment of the federal government among such factions, said Mark Potok, a spokesman for the Southern Poverty Law Center. The SPLC tracks such groups.
    Nevertheless, Potok noted, plans for these sorts of communities rarely come to fruition.
    "The people behind the Citadel are like 12-year-old boys talking about the tree house, or the secret underground city, they're going to build some day," he said.
    The website shows drawings of a stone fortress with room inside for up to 7,000 families. The compound would include houses, schools, a hotel and a firearms factory and museum. The gun factory, the website said, would manufacture semi-automatic pistols and AR-15 rifles – which would be illegal if Congress reinstated the 1994 ban on assault weapons.
    As Talking Points Memo reports, however, III Arms, the name of the proposed firearms company, announced this month that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms had approved their request to manufacture guns:
    “In this afternoon’s mail, III Arms Company received a little note from the ATF saying: ‘Thanks for your interest, please start building firearms,’” Jim Miller, the company’s president, wrote on the company’s blog last Thursday. “Yup. The III Arms Company now possesses our ‘Manufacturer of Firearms Other Than Destructive Devices’ License, otherwise known as an 07FFL, and we can legally manufacture and assemble your firearms. Oh yeah, happy days!”​
    Applicants for the community must pay a $208 fee, and the website claims several hundred people already have applied to live in the Citadel.
    The site also warns that not all would be comfortable at the development:
    "Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles."
    No construction has begun. Kerodin filed papers with the Idaho Secretary of State in November for a company called Citadel Land Development. III Arms LLC also has purchased 20 acres of land in Benewah County, the county auditor said.
    The Citadel website said those 20 acres would serve as an administrative site from which to build the entire 2,000- to 3,000-acre compound.
    Kerodin, who declined requests for a telephone interview, was convicted in 2004 of federal extortion charges and illegal possession of a firearm in a case in which he posed as a counterterrorism expert and attempted to coerce shopping mall owners in the Washington, D.C., area to hire him to improve security, according to court documents. He served 30 months in federal prison.
    While the conviction makes it illegal for Kerodin to possess a firearm, residents of the Citadel would be required to own guns and to pledge to train together and use them if the compound were attacked. Residents would also be required to stock enough food and water to last a year.
    In St. Maries, a logging community of 2,600 people that is the Benewah County seat, townspeople had plenty of questions about the proposed development.
    "This is Podunk, Idaho," said resident Wanda Wemhoff. "What are they defending themselves against?"
    Gary Davis, owner of a quilt shop, worried about the type of people who would be drawn to such a community. "Nobody benefits from having a closed society move into their midst," he said.
    But County Commissioner Bud McCall was less concerned, calling the Citadel little more than a "pie in the sky thing." "As far as I know," he said, "it hasn't gone anywhere."
  17. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Originally published December 23, 2012 at 8:09 PM | Page modified December 23, 2012 at 9:26 PM
    Survivalist group eyes Northern Idaho acreage

    A walled and armed community proposed in Northern Idaho would have at its center a firearms-manufacturing company that would employ residents and raise money to help fund the community. The area south of Coeur d'Alene was chosen because of its sparse population and "shared worldview" of independence, self-sufficiency and patriotism.
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    The Idaho Statesman
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    BOISE, Idaho — The Citadel, which arose on the Internet, envisions a walled and armed community in the mountains.
    The plan calls for a fortified castle and firearms museum in addition to typical city features like a bank, jail and library. The complex would have 3,500 to 7,000 families on about 2,000 to 3,000 acres in Benewah County south of Coeur d'Alene, according to the website.
    The group picked Benewah County because of its sparse population and "shared worldview" of independence, self-sufficiency and patriotism, the website said.
    The group has purchased 20 acres atop a mountain in the county and hopes to break ground shortly after summer 2013, the website said. More than 200 families already have applied to join the Citadel, according to its website.
    The project would be a "martial endeavor designed to protect residents in times of peril" and "built as a fortified bastion of liberty," the website says.
    Members already created at least one Idaho company to make firearms and employ residents, but the fate of the project is uncertain, one member said in an email to The Idaho Statesman. It isn't clear yet whether it would even be built in Idaho.
    "Currently we are a loose collection of several hundred people with a germ of an idea," the representative wrote in response to an interview request.
    At least one core member lives near Coeur d'Alene, the group said. "It is our hope that the residents of Benewah County will quickly learn that our intent is to be an asset to their lives, not an intrusion," the website said. But the project could move to Montana, Wyoming or a different Idaho county, it said.
    At the center of the development is a firearms-manufacturing company, III Arms, that would employ residents and raise money to help fund the Citadel. The company was incorporated in Idaho in August, its headquarters listed in Gaithersburg, Md., a suburb of Washington, D.C.
    The company website offers firearms for sale starting at $1,250. A woman whose name is listed as a representative of the company could not be reached for comment.
    III Percent — seemingly a reference to the "three percenter" militia movement — and Citadel Land Development were created in Idaho last month, according to state records.
    One or two square miles of the Citadel would be protected by walls and towers, the website said, adding that the community "intends to become a premiere tourist destination for Americans from sea to sea and border-to-border."
    Residents would have to agree to conditions that include: Following federal and state constitutions. Being able to shoot a man-sized steel target at various distances with a handgun and a rifle. Having an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle variant, at least five magazines and 1,000 rounds of ammunition. Keeping every household stocked with a year's worth of food, water and supplies. Taking courses on such topics as basic medical care and firearms safety. Carrying a loaded sidearm when visiting the town center.
    The application, with a $208 fee, asks if the person plans to raise livestock, farm or start a business at the Citadel. Residents also can choose to live inside or outside the community's walls.
    According to its website, The Citadel started as an idea in the "patriot blogosphere" in early 2012. It will not have a leader.
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  18. Beano

    Beano Monkey

    I'm not sold on a Galt's Gulch-type deal, although it's a nice thought. You can bring together a group of people with common interests and goals/objectives, but the inevitable differences in personalities will eventually bring about someone who thinks things should be done a certain way and it will tear things down. Remember, socialist lefties aren't the only ones who have an idea of a utopian society.

    That said, I'm not sure if there is a "right" answer that mitigates human nature. One man's opinion; YMMV.
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  19. oth47

    oth47 Monkey+

    There's not enough room on 2-3000 acres for 3500 to 7000 families.I can tell'em now,that won't work.
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  20. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    Just do not get into the hordes way or be able to keep them out/away. Bodies make good no trespassing signs.
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