Your Safety- A Poll

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by Yard Dart, Apr 26, 2015.

  1. I feel safe, knowing that there are federal, state & local police agencies looking out for my safety

    2 vote(s)
  2. I feel safe, but I have taken measures to ensure that I can protect myself until the police arrive.

    21 vote(s)
  3. I feel that the police will not help, therefore I have to protect myself.

    14 vote(s)
  4. We are on our own...the police can do the paperwork after I have protected my family

    62 vote(s)
  1. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Our society today is fraught with social upheaval, corruption, greed and all sorts of dangers around every corner. Yet violence statistics show that we are living in a safer time now.
    FBI — Preliminary Semiannual Uniform Crime Report, January-June 2014

    But do you feel that way, if not, what is your number one personal safety issue and what are you doing about it. Do you have a conceal carry permit, do you have property issues, unstable family......and so on.....
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  2. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Even if our local LEO (State Trooper) could respond to a "Call for Help" Instantly, He still would be a minimum of one HOUR away.... We deal with these things ourselves, and they just provide the BodyBags, and come pick up the bodies, long after the Fact. Life in the Wilds of Bush Alaska......
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  3. madmax

    madmax Far right. Bipolar. Veteran. Don't push me.

    My house. My responsibility,
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  4. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    My life, and I'm responsible for it.
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  5. NotSoSneaky

    NotSoSneaky former supporter

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  6. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    *licks the boots of the jack-booted thugs* "Come and save me! Help!" [raspberry]

    No, seriously. Lots of good cops out there, but they are surrounded by militarized goons with badges who have no problem shooting first and asking questions later because they would rather do paperwork than risk their lives. They follow policy instead of common sense and decency. They criminalize everybody who isn't a member of the Masons and belong to the government crime syndicate. At the end of the day, you can only rely on yourself, but if you are fortunate to live in a small town with good people, the police have the capacity -the potential to do good.

    And LOL @ "I feel safe".
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  7. DarkLight

    DarkLight Live Long and Prosper - On Hiatus Site Supporter

    I'm afraid that even the good police officers out there are being hamstrung by bad policy. Regardless of whether or not they want to "Serve and Protect", they aren't being allowed to.

    That having been said, the old saw of "When seconds count, the Police are just minutes away" is truer now than it has ever been. We have a security system on the house but both times we've had false alarms, the call from the police saying they were there and checking on things was almost 20 minutes after the notification from the alarm company. Yes, sure, there are mitigating factors and the likelihood of a false alarm...but what if it hadn't been.

    Something made a noise downstairs a little over a year ago and it woke my wife up. She'd been sleeping as she wasn't feeling well and I was at work and the kids at school. She called me on the phone (cell to cell) because we didn't have a land line anymore and I called 911 from my work phone. It took the officers almost 10 minutes to get to the house. My wife was in a tizzy, totally panicked and sure someone was in the house and it took them 10 minutes to get to her. Yes, she was armed.

    My point is that even if they want to help, the ratio of Officers:Citizens is just too low...they can't even if they want to.

    I am responsible for my own safety. I am responsible for the safety of my family while they are in my home. Carry permit? Yeah. And helping to push for constitutional carry in the state (will still have the permit for reciprocity and "ease" of purchasing). Home alarm, yeah. Dog...pffft, he's a greyhound and loves everyone but yeah. He can be intimidating if you don't know any better and he's a good judge of character.

    Eventually I will be out of the city (suburbs count) though. I don't like hearing firecrackers in the middle of the night and wondering if it was a gunshot and too far away to sound like one (happened last night). I don't like feeling like I need to look out the front door before I exit. I don't like having TWO apartment complexes spring up behind my house over the last 3 years. The older I get (and I'm only early forties), the less I like being around people. The "sphincter per furlong" density is just getting too high and with all of the cranial rectal insertion syndrome going around...I just have no patience for it anymore.

    It's my job, my life, my responsibility. I guess I'll just have to make sure there's only one side of the story to tell...
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  8. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    My worry is an over-zealous officer would show up and they would shot my family or my dog. I find it sad that I feel scared of the police rather then protected. And there are decent officers out there but you just don't know what your going to get.
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  9. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

    My house has a lock on the door...but nobody has seen the key for 10+ years.
    It's a very old and intimidating looking farm don't come here to trick or treat unless they live on the street and know us. There are generally 2 or more lifted 4x4s in the driveway and several less-than-friendly signs. It's pretty clear from the road that hillbillies live here and my brothers and I have cultivated a reputation in town as "folks not to mess with." We are "known to police" and fire dept for some of the more rowdy parties and bon fires when my brothers were younger but even the cops don't pull in the driveway when they come to tell us to quiet down. They park on the road and honk a couple times until we come out of the woods. We have always been courteous and compliant when asked to turn the music down or stop 4x4 mud running with loud trucks after midnight....unfortunately "progress cannot be halted" and it's just a matter of time before the city punches a road through the dead end on my street and more houses start popping up all around us. Life on "acreage" is quickly becoming a thing of the past in my province as many if not most of the population here think it's "normal" to live in a box with a 10x10 yard at most. I do worry aboot strangers a bit but not enough to replace the lock on the front door or change my way of life out of "fear".

    Tha's it.
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  10. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    If you protect yourself, and yours, on your own land, then you deal with the situation, yourself... And let the LEOs, when you finally call them, recover the bodies, and make out the Reports, which is what they are Really Good At..... Dead Folks TELL no Tales, as long as the Forensics, MATCH your Story.....
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  11. DarkLight

    DarkLight Live Long and Prosper - On Hiatus Site Supporter

    My brother used to live in a cul-de-sac in southern california. 8/10 of the families were active duty Navy/former Military. Some druggies moved into the neighborhood and started using the cul-de-sac as a meeting place to sell. Long story short, his wife called the police to get something done and they said it would be an hour or more. She said "Never mind, send the coroner, it'll be over by then and you can clean up the mess."

    The cops were there in less than a minute, I kid you not.

    That didn't fix the problem though. Eventually the neighbors all got together and when the next deal went down they backed two suburbans out of the driveways, blocking the way out. Then my brother's neighbor came out and told them they needed to get off his property. When he got drawn on the ENTIRE cul-de-sac showed up with, in many cases, fully automatic weapons, locked and loaded.

    THAT fixed the problem.

    Without a shot fired btw.
  12. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey Site Supporter+++

    I do love the life of solitude.. Like others, I look out the window before I venture out of my home.. I look to see if there are any wild life that I may need to worry about.. City dwellers have the two legged critters to worry over.. If I should have reason to call for the police, I know they WILL be a long time in finding me.. Dog's are only for warning of a threat.. A steak or a bullet will take them out of contention in most cases.. SO, ultimately it up to each man to provide the most effective and expedient means for their own defense..
  13. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    I don't worry so much about defending the house, or defending my life, but the legal ramifications of doing so. I have no problem pulling a trigger on an intruder, or defending a neighbor, but I don't want to destroy my life while defending it.
    Make sure the bullet holes match the story.
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  14. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    I can honestly say that I would rather a jury judge me on my actions in self defense..... than thinking about the minutia of legal ramification... I was not trained that way.....seconds count and hesitation can get you killed. If you are justified to pull your weapon or hit someone in a manner that could be fatal.... you already have made the decision to live... and let the bad guy pay the price...IMO.
  15. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Case in point: the cop who just shot a guy for grabbing his tazer dropping it, and running away. 8shots later, the perp is shot in the back.
    At the moment of attack, the cop WAS right to respond with deadly force, but not 5 seconds later when the tazer fell, and the guy ran.
    The bullet holes did not fit the story.
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2015
  16. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Just for the record, that is a horrible example to relate to what I was saying...... the cop was wrong from the word go.... just say'n!!
  17. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Cop had a gun and a tazer. If the perp had fired the tazer, he would have had both, and the cop would be dead. He had, at that moment, the right to defend himself. Same as you or I.
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  18. Mike

    Mike Ol' Army Sergeant Monkey

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  19. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Metal weldin' monkey

    The key word in @Yard Dart's reply to this was TRAINING. Perhaps if the cop in question had trained more/differently he may have reacted differently, we will never know for sure. But as a rule a person will fight like they train, that much has pretty well been proven. The decision to draw a weapon is the first and most important one they are likely to make with only seconds to do so. To me, training the mind to know when to make that choice is at least equally important as training the body to handle a weapon effectively.

    Can or will mistakes be made? Certainly. That's the human factor and while it can never be eliminated, IMHO it can be reduced with proper training and mindset.

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  20. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    I've had this discussion with cops, a few times. While you are in danger, deadly force is allowed, but from the moment that threat is gone, it is not. (At least locally).
    So I could be beaten bloody, and shoot them, but not if they were leaving at the time. (Unless, they were (IMHO) just pausing to pick up weapons.)
    Deadly force is only to stop an attack, not revenge it.
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