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Improvised Bomb Shelter

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by Seacowboys, Jun 19, 2009.

  1. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    With NK planning to take out vacation land, it can't be far behind before China takes Taiwan (read NK tests US response). Conflagration is real and alive in the NWO.
    We have a problem with ground-water here near the Gulf coast that is not conducive to basements and underground concrete structures. Our engineer suggested that I bury a sail-boat in the back-yard and mound over it. It's got everything needed to sit out a while, including vent piping, toilets, water, storage space, and is imprevious to ground-water penetration. I think this is a brilliant idea.
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Pretty pricey way to go unless you can salvage a hulk. Bet YOU can --
  3. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I actually have a half-dozen or so sail boats left over from Katrina sitting in the back 40.
  4. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Minimum 32 footer for two for a week or more, add ten feet for each additional occupant, and another ten for longer than 30 days. (Based on a friend's experience with live aboards.)

    Leave the keel intact if it has one, and add ballast if it doesn't or even if it does. Not a good thing if it floats out of the ground in high water. Extend the vents above the 500 year flood level.

    OR you could leave it uncovered so it would float out in a flood, simply bury it to the gunwales for a ground level entrance. (That would need a pump since the scuppers would have to be sealed up.)

    Or something, anyway. Interesting concept.
  5. The Expendable

    The Expendable Bread and Circus Master

    My town is on the banks of Lake Monroe, part of the St. Johns River. We have a really nice marina here, but there are some people who don't want to pay the rent to dock their boats there. These people anchor their boats unattended about 50-100 feet out from the seawall. One of them sank during Tropical Storm Fay last year. Another sank about three months ago, and a third on sank just a few weeks ago. Now there are about six sailboats anchored out of the marina, and three masts serving as channel markers.

    My point is that you might still need a bilge pump. A boat isn't water proof.
  6. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Post pictures of the boats!!!
  7. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Here in Tallahassee, Florida's capitol city, I live about 8 miles (as the missile flies) from the capitol building in the center of town.
    So, even out here in Sloburbia, if they drop an air-burst nuke on Tally, I am toast. I have considered a storm shelter on my property, but a 'bomb shelter' would become simply a fancy tomb.
    Luckily, the little dude with the bad hair in NK doesn't (yet!) have the range to whack the east coast. China..... maybe a different story. [dunno]
  8. KAS

    KAS Monkey++

    you could also buyy one of them Life boats from a ship ... they sell them fairly cheap at scrap yards ....
  9. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    Anything you bury deep enough to be a semi-reliable bomb shelter would have extreme weight exerted on it in ways it was not designed for. Conex boxes, which are fairly sturdy have bulged, deformed and or collapsed in similiar situations. I am pretty sure there have been postings about this here. Reinforcement will be required in many areas, which may well negate this as a viable option economically. jmho
    Now if you had a spare submersable laying around that would be another story. Round and reinforced is definately the way to go.
  10. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    Best bet I've seen is a used Gas Station fiberglass fuel tanks. The newer style are double hulled!

    A Company was selling EPA cleaned tanks some years back. This after a mandate to replace all single hulled tanks.

    They had hundreds if not thousands, they sold out in 2 years.

    Somewhere there are a lot of born again/buried again fiberglass tanks.

    Buried on their side in a bed of sand and then an over lay of sand topped with 2 feet of concrete makes for a solid bunker.

    Maybe there are some close to me!

    Then again maybe not.
  11. Airtime

    Airtime Monkey+++ Site Supporter

    Rewind back about 1979 when I was in engineering school and there was a mechanical engineering professor named R E Klein. Rather opinionated and would periodically offer an evening lecture off topic on some philosophy to which he ascribed or promulgated. He was the first prepper I really heard articulate the philosophy. Now remind you this was before Reagan and The Wall coming down. One of Klein's lectures was that nuclear war was survivable.

    The premise as I recall is that shelter is needed for two reasons. 1. To survive the blasts. And 2. To survive the fallout. He argued that shelter to survive the blast was possible, it would be expensive and one would probably be better to just not live near a probable target. To survive the fallout and societal collapse one would best to be on a boat in deep water. Radioactive fallout sinks, quite quickly. So his plan was a well stocked live abord boat on a very large man made lake or the Great Lakes. Drinking water would come from the lake with purification and chlorine (this was before RO was cheap and easy) and might avoid some rough seas. Stay inside with air filtration and a pump constantly flushing the entire boat with water to keep all fallout rinsed off. There was natural protection from looters and one could keep folks away with some long reach weapons. His point was 100 feet or more of water between you and the decomposing fallout was far better than a few feet of dirt and exposure to fallout landing on the boat would be minimal since it would be washed away rather promptly. And what the heck, a boat is more fun on weekends than a tiny cavern.

    Interesting concept that has stuck in my memory for 33 years.

  12. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    Most of my "plans/preps" has come from real world diasters, Tornados, Hurricanes, Hail, Stright Line winds over 90mph. So you might want to consider combining your build project to provide day to day use.

    Take a look here for other sugggestions.
  13. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    I reme mber seeing a Tarp covered sail boat in an old FEMA manual usd as a shelter from fall out wit a similar set up...
  14. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Very Good IDEAS from an Obviously Well Researched perspective. The real question that it brings up is, "How much Food can you store, on a Sailboat, or other affordable vessel?" You have no space for Growing any, and fishing may or may not, be wise without understanding how much Fallout is absorbed by the still living fish, you are catching. Other than that, definitely a well thought out plan, for Living thru a Nuclear Holocaust.
  15. DKR

    DKR Interesting ideas, interesting stories

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  16. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    If high water is coming, don't forget to take the tiedowns off the trailer so the boat will float. Don't ask.
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  17. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    Been there in S.C. in 1965.
  18. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Around here we keep the tie-downs on the boats, and then drive them very slow, on a clam day, to get the Trailers, up, or down, the Inlet, from the Barge Landing Ramp. With NO Roads, it is about the only way to get a Trailer to your Cabin Site..... "The Wheels on the Boat, Go Round and Round, All up, and down, the beach...."
  19. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    If close to a blast you are history anyway. Outside the "kill zone" the only thing you will have to be concerned about is fallout and how long it stays hot around you. Air filtration and radiation protection is paramount. Can you stay inside for three weeks or longer. Do you have radiation detection equipment. You can venture out if you wash everything off outside before entering your domicile. If not you will contaminate yourself and every one else with "hot" particles. Setting up a wash station/strip down area ahead of the fallout will be necessary. Nukes are not death stars and can be survived.
  20. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    What...??? You have picture's or am i baffled and befudled...

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