TOTM July 2016- Survival Logistics

Discussion in 'General Survival and Preparedness' started by Motomom34, Jul 1, 2016.

  1. Shotgunpapa

    Shotgunpapa Monkey

    I was in the US Army for ten yrs. we trained every day to stay a live we knew our equipment how it worked and how to take care of it. We were trained to be able to adapted to any thing. so I have been putting out a garden every yr. and have learn to can my food. I am now trying to learn what wild plants are good for food and medicine. I have also been trying my hand at some blacksmith work. I can build a house. and I know some about sewing. and I know how to defend my camp. my Niece is a nurse so she will help with medical problem. I think that we need another nurse in case something happen to her but I have other family that has been training with red cross and other units. we all hunt and no our weapons and are at home in the woods but we need more training in suburban areas.
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  2. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    One of the reasons I choose the 17 HMR,is logistics .
    though ,223 is a capable round for most situations it is by mass 5X the size of the .17 HMR and significantly more when considering any other center fire round.
    Any part of the anatomy you hit, is an injury that cannot be ignored. Because the bullet tends to fracture it is worse than lead bullets that stay intact and and mushroom and don't penetrate any further than the .17.
    It's precision is superior to any other fire arm I own, so be it a squirrel or a deer neither will survive it and the amount of meat damaged is minimal especial because head shots are SOP. (not that I expect any deer to be available,just as a point off reference)
    Can you imagine carrying 1000 rounds of 12 gage ? and it's range is ?
    One of the things I prep for is supporting troops since I'm no Rambo . but if it comes down to it, I'd rather be found dead of starvation as a supporter for freedom, than die in my bed having done nothing .
  3. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    I have watched the accuracy of the 17 HMR first hand. Damned little tack driver. If it came in an AR frame semi auto?? I would have several. For now Ill squeak by with my lowly AR-15. :)
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  4. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey Site Supporter+++

    I look at Logistics as stocking anything that I may need to use to manufacture something of need, or repair something that is needed.. It can encompass any and everything you use daily, weekly, or monthly.. However, we have a start on it right here! Knowledge! Re-purposing that which others discard for your own use can be huge.. We have many minds searching for that that would be handy if things go south..

    The question is, what can you make from materials that can be obtained ahead of time? Have you sought out the information on basic skills for making what you need once the supply system is no longer available.. More firearms and ammo in itself will not repair a much needed jacket or a pair of wool socks in the dead of winter.. How does one supply the firewood when the gas is in short supply or split that 16 inch round when the handle on your hammer has broken.. Gardening is great, however, keeping all those green beans or tomato's without a fresh supply of canning lid's will make it difficult..

    Every day, throughout the year, if we put our hand on something, we should think about how we would get along without that item...
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  5. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    Even foraging requires logistical planning. What are you most apt to need, where can you find it, how will you transport it, etc.

    As far as the ethical question..."thou shalt not steal" - thus if a resource is under someone else's control, it is effectively off-limits until such time as your survival trumps any ethical concerns. Any resources not already in the possession of someone else is fair game.
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  6. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    Planting food in the bush I think is an important plan ,if going there is your best option, both to feed one's self and the critters you hope to feed on.

    Another reserve I maintain is repair supplies like welding rod and coal for the forge
    steel and materials that won't be available post SHTF.
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  7. NVBeav

    NVBeav Monkey+++

    There have been some unique/great/interesting thoughts on logistics:
    - I personally like the idea of living amongst the "enemy" to prod along effectual change, but property in the boondocks is a lot cheaper. However, being remote isn't as safe as it used to be.
    - I like many rifle and pistol calibers, but I already have a little .223/5.56.
    - "Preserving food" -- I like canning, but I like traditional preservation methods a lot more
    - "Practice gardening and other things you'll need skills with" -- looking ahead to what you need and want to grow seem to be good logistics

    I'll be watching this thread on Logistics because my thoughts are always limited...
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  8. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    My current logistical nightmare is building my own house. Just in the planning stages right now, and all the necessary hoops to jump through and figuring out how to come up with the money...I either want to put a bullet in my head or eat a whole (3pound) batch of fudge myself...
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  9. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    eat the fudge...just the stress is going to be enough to burn off all the calories. ;)
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  10. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    I am with you @NVBeav I have been watching, reading and learning with every post. Truthfully I am still on page on of running this exercise in my preparedness world.

    I have been working on this, some on the list I have crossed off, simplified some plus finding where I can streamline things. Also allocation of duties of who does what when X happens.

    Excellent job monkeys, loving the posts & learning so much, plus a green light to eat fudge. :)
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  11. GOG

    GOG Free American Monkey Site Supporter

    If you have a good reason to eat fudge it doesn't have calories.
  12. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

    Logistics - ...the process of planning, implementing, and controlling the efficient, effective flow and storage of goods, services, and related information from point of origin to point of consumption for the purpose of conforming to customer requirements." Note that this definition includes inbound, outbound, internal, and external movements, and return of materials for environmental purposes.

    I have to start with food, water and sanitation. For me its planning for what we will eat and how it will be prepared. That starts with a meal plan. 2 cooked meals a day, breakfast and lunch and cooking enough at lunch for leftovers at dinner. (my thinking is, in case we cant have a fire at nite the food needs to be ready to be cooked at noonish)

    Since @MountainMariner started the thermos cooking thread I have been thinking about how to incorporate thermal cooking so that the evening meal can be a hot meal as well. When stressed we all need comfort food.
    Thermos Cooking | Survival Monkey Forums

    So Logistics isn't just the goods, its also thinking about the mental and emotional well being of the people around you.... I may be expressing this particular version in a feminine way but I am sure there is a way a guy would express this for seeing to the well being of his troops.

    I have also been using my dried wheat and barley (the barley only keeps for a couple of years so its time to rotate) and making Rejuvalc which is loaded with great mineral, and digestive enzymes the recipe is here.
    Sprouting- Using Stored Grain, Nuts, Seeds to Optimize Health | Survival Monkey Forums.
    The reason I think this is important is, when you go from fresh food to MRE's or dried food the body has a tendency to get constipated. Rejuvalac will help counter that and make things flow more easily and make your food more available for your body to use the nutrients it has.

    That was just one version for logistics for me for food. Yes I do have menu's (currently under revision) lists and plans.

    The difficult part of logistics is the tracking. I have to do it monthly or weekly or it gets away from me. But then you also leave a paper trail when you do it by hand like I do.

    I will assert that most people keep a running inventory in their head. This is logistics but not a very efficient form of logistics. I use to keep it in my head and when I realized I had 5 gal buckets of stuff like wheat and beans that would take forever to use, I decided it was time to start planning. That takes work.

    So perhaps someone else has a better way than just putting it down on paper and perhaps someone else has a better way of tracking other items.

    a lot of work goes into how much toilet paper, food, water, ammo do we need for 1 adult for one year.

    I can 52 jars of green beans a year, because I know that once a week we will eat green beans. Some years we use more some years less but 52 is a pretty good average at my place.
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  13. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    Problem is one person cannot keep up with every singe issue on track. there are simply too many issues to deal with.
    It takes a team .
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  14. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    Fire, Water, Food, Self Defense, and then comfort items. My Logistical System is based on these principles. Plenty of Water Purification Systems, Boiling is a last resort.
    Seed vaults, I have several of them in my BOB, .22 cal rifle and scope for small game. 3 months of Freeze dried meals, plus a Crap load of canned and stored food stuff, maybe 1 1/2 years worth so far. Still working on that every day. Fruit trees and perennial herbs and plant's that self propagate. Still working on that all the time too.
    I have been stashing lighters, and fire strikers as well as White tipped strike anywhere matches.
    I have solar panels, batteries, led lights and and lots of 12v equipment that can aid me in comfort, a Solar Battery Charger for flashlights etc.
    Crank powered radio and light as well.
    The problem for me is I would have to bug in to keep it all, it may be that I will have to abandon my property at least for a while, but I could always try and recapture it later.
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  15. Motomom34

    Motomom34 Monkey+++

    That is the bottom line IMO, it will take a team, take a village. Some may be able to survive alone but in my mind, realistically people will need to rely on people to survive and to obtain what we need to thrive. I can click off in my head the people around me and what they can do to help my family thrive.
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  16. Shotgunpapa

    Shotgunpapa Monkey

    You said it we need a team people we can count on it would be hard trying to do all this on your own. I have enlisted family and friends and some neighbors, some are older but they will need to be cared for but they have wisdom that some younger people don't.
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  17. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    I would venture to say though , that most people want to be leaders not followers .
    Building a team every one can't be taking lead .
    As a society we have been cultured to be distrustful of others. So handing leadership to another person is extraordinary.
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  18. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    In my experience everyone wants to lead right up until the time they have to make a tough decision...then they want someone else to do the leading (then throw the decision maker under the bus if it goes south). Leaders make the tough decisions and accept the responsibility.
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  19. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    About 10 years ago, the subject of leaders was hashed and rehashed on this site. Rather than dig out the threads (there are several if not many) I'll leave it to anyone curious to do the poking around. Another reason for not supplying links is to avoid too awful much in the way of deviation on this thread. Best bet for finding them is cliking on any founding member's profile and reading the posts listed.
  20. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep

    You never know whats inside a fruit until you squeeze it! Then it may be too late.
    We may find out what we'd do sooner than we think if things keep moving along at this pace!
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  21. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    I have been accustomed to jobs that entail assessing the problem and conferring with the powers that be, what the best avenue for remedy in the situation with in the given limits of the customer .
    Then I am left usually on my own to deal with it .
    Granted this confidence is earned after years of reliable service, but we don't have that luxury in this particular instance.
    I might be able to brag at some point in life, that I could at one time lift 200 lbs. over my head with ease, and carry a 70# back pack for 8-10 hours or more at high altitude, but that fact has changed in the last 20 years.
    A lot of guys after they've been through some basic and a few years service start putting on some gut and their fit bodies are not so fit any more or broken from abuse.
    And it's not just the physical ability to fight but the will to face aggression and likely pay the ultimate price .
    A lot of older guys have something to live for, it's why you don't see them much on the front lines.
    A warrior mentality is not something we have cultured in this society, but if we are going to survive some hard decisions are going to be made.
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